Hi Richard Ruquist No, the supreme monad is what God sees through and does through, but God is behind or above the supreme monad.
Newton's God was something like that in that the universe was, in Newton's words, God's "sensorium". But Newton had no systematic view of the universe-- no supreme monad or monads of any kind. Newton believed simply that things happened as if God's hand caused them to move. Leibniz expressed what was logically necessary, not an opinion of God. [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 12/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-09, 07:54:53 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God Roger, The monads are collectively god That's is likely what Newton would believe and most likely what Liebnitz really believed in but was afraid to express. Richard On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Newton believed in numbers but was still a christian. > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 12/9/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-08, 08:48:59 > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God > > Roger, > > Comp or even just Peano arithmetic suggests that the monads do not > need a god outside of themselves. > Richard > > On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Referring as I did sometimes to the supreme monad as God was >> not technically correct, only a shorthand version. L's God is >> who/what perceives and does through the supreme monad. >> L's God is itself therefore not a monad, it's simply cosmic intelligence >> or the One. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 12/8/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-12-08, 07:49:27 >> Subject: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God >> >> Roger, >> >> In order to get a cosmic consciousness, an arithmetic of monads is >> required. No one monad has consciousness as L has said. Therefore >> isince God is one monad, it cannot be conscious and IMO therefore >> cannot be god. >> Richard >> >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> >>> You say, "God is the totality of all Monads and its creation is >>> expressed on and in all of them. " >>> >>> God is the agent that carries out this expression, >>> for only He knows what they all are. >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>> 12/8/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-12-06, 12:59:57 >>> Subject: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> On 12/6/2012 7:52 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Stephen, >>>> >>>> I slipped up, sorry. I usually avoid using the word God since that >>>> upsets >>>> many people. >>>> >>>> Instead, you can think of L's universe as a complete system with one >>>> control, >>>> the Supreme Monad (the One). It only needs one master controller, but >>>> that >>>> is necessary and more than that wouldn't work. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Roger, >>>> >>>> The way I see the idea, there is no need for a single central control or >>>> special monad. God is the totality of all Monads and its creation is >>>> expressed on and in all of them. I see the language that L used about a >>>> "one >>>> God" was merely a way to remain in the good graces of the Church. >>> >>> Hear, Hear >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>>> 12/6/2012 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Onward! >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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