On 26 Dec 2012, at 14:27, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Jason Resch

There is and cannot be two identical uploaded minds
unless you are me.

Right for the 1p, not necessarily for the 3p mind, depending on different conventions.

Two identical program running in even different universes, or in different arithmetical computations, will be related to one (1p) mind, one consciousness (but perhaps with different relative measure).

Bruno




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12/26/2012
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On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:13 AM, Jason Resch wrote:



On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Jason Resch

Since 1p has the property of perspective,
and no two people can be at the same place at the
same time,

But could there be two places that are identical to each other which contain the same first person perspectives?

Jason

If you had two 'brains in vat' you could arrange for the same external signals to them, e.g. from a camera at a particular location, and thus have 'the same' visual perspective.� But I expect that their *perceptions* will still be quite different and you could do as well by just having them stand close together or look at the same TV screen.

Put two identical uploaded minds each in the same deterministic simulation. 燭hen their perceptions should be identical.

Jason

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