Hi Roger,

That's a bit surprising!


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hi Telmo Menezes
>
> Then we pretty much agree.
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] <rclo...@verizon.net]>
> 1/2/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> *Subject:* Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil
>
>  In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes
> we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best
> interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have
> two main sources:
>
> 1) Biological evolution. In the long term, the DNA of the species as more
> chances of thriving if the individuals are altruistic to a degree. The
> exact mechanism here is debatable, it could be kin-selection (affinity for
> people with similar DNA) or group-selection, which is more controversial.
> There is some compelling evidence to support this theory. Social insects
> are extremely altruistic, and at the same time social insect females share
> more DNA than most animals. Another clue that this is correct comes from
> experimental psychology: we tend to associate physical beauty with goodness
> and different races with evil.�
>
> 2) Social constructs created to address the prisoner's dilema: for a
> society to thrive, a certain level of altruism is necessary. From the
> individual's point of view, however, it is irrational to be altruistic to
> that degree. The solution: tell people that they're going to hell if
> they're not good (or some variation of that theme). Religions have a
> positive impact in our species success, and their main job is to solve the
> prisoner's dilema. They are, nevertheless, a ruse.
>
> All attempts to define "good" and "evil" as a fundamental property of the
> universe that I've seen so far quickly descend into circular reasoning:
> good is what good people do, good people are the ones who do good things.
>
> Interestingly enough, left-wing atheists end up being similar to the
> religious: they believe in a base line level of altruism in human beings
> that is not supported by evidence.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance
>> life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call
>> Evil.
>>
>> CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or
>> enhancing or diminishing of life.
>> It seems completely disconnected from reality to me. If it was that
>> obvious, why wouldn't
>> everyone just do the Good things and avoid Evil things? Obviously our
>> experiences have
>> many layers and qualities which change dynamically. Anything can be
>> interpreted as
>> enhancing or diminishing life. Chemotherapy Good or Evil?
>> 牋
>>
>> ROGER: Good people tend to do good things, evil people to do evil things.
>> Chemotherapy is thought to do more good than evil.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net <+rcl...@verizon.net>]
>> 1/1/2013
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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