Hi Stephen P. King  

I agree. And would add that structurally liberalism is fascist. 
Mainly in government control and control of beliefs.

[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 
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Ipersonally think so. 

On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 

Hi Stephen P. King  

The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. 


    But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism is 
a governing system where the population can own property privately but the use 
of said property is dictated by the State. Most countries are fascistic. 

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credible? Ipersonally think so. 

On 1/6/2013 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> Hi Alberto G. Corona 
> Sounds like fascism to me. 

     How so? 

> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 
> 1/6/2013 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen 
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> Subject: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? 
> Ipersonally think so. 
> A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social consequiences. When I 
> say "A". I don? only say "A is true". I say also that because A is true and 
> you must accept it because a set of my socially reputated fellows of me did 
> something to affirm it, you must believe it, and, more important, I deserve a 
> superior status than you, the reluctant. 
> As a consequence of this fact o human nature (which has a root in natural 
> selection). every corpus of accepted knowledge is associated from the 
> beginning to a chiurch of guardians of ortodoxy. No matter the intentions or 
> the objectivity or the asepsy of the methods of the founders. There is a 
> power to keep, much to gain and loose, and as time goes on, real truth 
> becomes a secondary question. ?he creatie, syncere founders are substituted 
> by media polemizers and mediocre defenders of the status quio. 
> This power-truth tension in science was biased heavily towards the former 
> when State nationalized science at the end of the XIX century, because 
> science was standardized and homogeneized to the minimum common denominator, 
> chopping any heterodoxy, destroying free enquiry which was vital for the 
> advancement. Now peer reviews are ?n many sofft disciplines, filters of 
> ortodoxy, not quality controls. ? 
> As the philosopher of science Feyerabend said, It is necessary a separation 
> of State and science as much as was necessary a separartion of State and 
> church: Because a state with a unique church of science is a danger for 
> freedom, and because a science dominated by the state is a danger for any 
> science. 
> The standardization of science towards materiamism was a logical consequence 
> of ?he a philosophical stance of protestantism: the Nominalism, that rejected 
> the greek philosophical legacy and separated dratically the revelated 
> knowledge of the Bible form the knowledge of the things of the world without 
> the bridge of greek philosophy. Mind-soul and matter became two separate 
> realms. Common sense or the Nous were not a matter of science and reason, 
> like in the greek philosophy (what is reasonable included what makes common 
> sense, just like it is now in common parlancy), but a matter of the 
> individual spirit under the firm umbrela of the biblical revelation. The 
> problem is that this umbrela progressively dissapeared, and with it, common 
> sense. That gave a nihilistic relativism as a consequience. With the 
> exception of USA, where common sense is still supported by the faith. 
> ?he other cause were the wars of religion among christian denominations, that 
> endend up in a agreement of separation between church and state, where any 
> conflictive view was relegated to religion as faith, and only the minimum 
> common denominator was admitted as a foundation for politics, This MCD was a 
> form of political religion. This political religion was teist at the 
> beginning (As is not in USA) laater deist and now is materialist, following a 
> path of progressive reduction to accomodate the progressive secularization 
> (which indeed was a logical consequence of the nominalism and the 
> proliferation of faiths that the reform gave birth). 
> In later stages, the political religion has dropped the country history, and 
> even reversed it, and, following its inexorable logic, try to destroy 
> national identity of each individual european country, in the effort to 
> accomodate the incoming inmigration worldviews. This is in part, no matter 
> how shockig is, the logical evolution of the agreement that ended the 
> religious wars of the XVI century. 
> In the teistic and deistic stages the State made use of the transcendence in 
> one form or another for his legitimacy, since the divine has a plan, and 
> people belive in the divine, the legitimacy of the state, in the hearths fo 
> the people, becomes real when the nation-state is inserted in this divine 
> plan. 
> When, to accomodate the materialistic sects, marxists among them, the ?tate 
> took over Science to legitimate itself, because the State no longer had the 
> transcendence as an option to suppor his legitimacy. the legitimacy of the 
> state was supported by a materialistic sciece, subsidized, controlled and 
> depurated from any heterodoxy.? 
> So there is the current science, an image of the state political religion, 
> Multicultural, relativistic and materialist. 



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