I still don't know if Roger refer to the ,modern materialistic state or my initial paragraph about human nature.
I do not know how this nominalism-materialism has derived in a "hole" such is Fascism. Fascism is a political term, not a philosophical term. To stop a discussion because something in human nature looks fascist is a form of argumentum at malignum. by means of a superstitious accusation of being aligned with the Evil, From then on,. the discussion invariably deviates into demonology. Leo Strauss called it "Argumentum at Hitlerum". To say that something in human nature looks fascist is like saying that electricity looks like a light bulb. a ligth bulb uses electricity, not the opposite. A light bulb shows an aspect of electricity, whether it illuminates you or you get electrocuted. That does not change electricity. But this shows that there is a denial of the dark aspects of human nature. The rejection to study this aspect is astonishing. When I said in a sci.bio.evolution that the masculine traits in the human face seem to be made to protect against hand strokes,<http://ilevolucionista.blogspot.com.es/2008/06/evolutionary-design-of-human-face.html>some people insulted me, and the moderator stopped publishing my posts. Later an study discovered that the human hand seems to be designed, among other things, for strength in hand strokes<http://jeb.biologists.org/content/216/2/236.abstract>. This seems like a light bulb. So what?. It seems like the modernity aspires to perfection. A kind of earthly salvation by science, so it has to reject the idea of a innate dark side of Man. Modern christianity seems to follow also this dangerous blindness. This indeed makes the dark side much more dangerous. The assumption of something innate forces the self appointed perfectionist engineers to use to state-planned eugenesia,like at the beginning of the XX century, instead of the current plan of state-planned indoctrination. They don´t want it after the experience of Hitler, but they actively promoted it before. Both plans, eugenesia and indoctrination seems to me much more like a true light bulb than other light bulbs. 2013/1/7 meekerdb <[email protected]> > On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. >> >> >> Hi, >> >> But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. >> Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property >> privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most >> countries are fascistic. >> >> >> Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to >> be a definition. Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of >> super-being in which labor, industry, and government are *bound together >> into one* (hence the name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how >> they serve their function as an element of The State. This was further >> taken to imply that superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this >> superior culture to other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed >> conquest. >> >> Brent >> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the >> merger of state and corporate power." >> --- Benito Mussolini. >> -- >> >> >> Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the >> behavior of fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All >> that you added, while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is >> representative of just one form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy. >> >> > Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German: > Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist > german worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations > potentially pose a threat to the state and have to thus be merged with > state force to facilitate common good". This was done not only to build and > develop weapons, but to build the A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled > south today. > > Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along > similar lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment, > automatically restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the > west proclaims to want today; even though history should at some point > teach us what this means, we don't seem to get it or don't want to. > > > Nazism was not Fascism. It borrowed from Fascism but it added mystic > racism, Hitler cult, and genocide. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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