On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote: > >> On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. >> >> >> Hi, >> >> But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. >> Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property >> privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most >> countries are fascistic. >> >> >> Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to >> be a definition. Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of >> super-being in which labor, industry, and government are *bound together >> into one* (hence the name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how >> they serve their function as an element of The State. This was further >> taken to imply that superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this >> superior culture to other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed >> conquest. >> >> Brent >> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the >> merger of state and corporate power." >> --- Benito Mussolini. >> -- >> >> >> Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the >> behavior of fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All >> that you added, while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is >> representative of just one form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy. >> >> > Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German: > Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist > german worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations > potentially pose a threat to the state and have to thus be merged with > state force to facilitate common good". This was done not only to build and > develop weapons, but to build the A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled > south today. > > Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along > similar lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment, > automatically restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the > west proclaims to want today; even though history should at some point > teach us what this means, we don't seem to get it or don't want to. > > > Nazism was not Fascism. It borrowed from Fascism but it added mystic > racism, Hitler cult, and genocide. > > Brent > > Didn't imply that. Much less I'd say... if someone's wearing a Mussolini corporate state control merger fascism-pin, as implied by your quote of Mussolini, then it doesn't matter to me which other pins, mystical or belief (what was that difference again?) based, that person wears: they are fascist in that precise sense. They might be Japanese, play scrabble, and be slightly overweight too, which is absolutely, definitely healthy ;) An adherent to Nazism is a fascist via the corporate-state-merger-idea and reasoning, although the reverse is not necessary. Nazism did not merely "borrow" this: the whole economic upswing in the early Nazi years can be traced to the merger idea, and Germany took this as far as it could. If corporations didn't play ball: leave or die. They were facist or corporatist in this precise sense, and the cult/mysticism (difference to belief, I ask again? Isn't any belief system viewed externally just 'mysticism' in pejorative sense?) didn't change this: it enforced it. PGC > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
