On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
>> On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>> On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
>> On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
>> Hi Stephen P. King
>> The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.
>> But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism.
>> Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property
>> privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most
>> countries are fascistic.
>> Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to
>> be a definition. Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of
>> super-being in which labor, industry, and government are *bound together
>> into one* (hence the name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how
>> they serve their function as an element of The State. This was further
>> taken to imply that superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this
>> superior culture to other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed
>> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
>> merger of state and corporate power."
>> --- Benito Mussolini.
>> Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the
>> behavior of fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All
>> that you added, while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is
>> representative of just one form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy.
> Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German:
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist
> german worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations
> potentially pose a threat to the state and have to thus be merged with
> state force to facilitate common good". This was done not only to build and
> develop weapons, but to build the A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled
> south today.
> Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along
> similar lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment,
> automatically restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the
> west proclaims to want today; even though history should at some point
> teach us what this means, we don't seem to get it or don't want to.
> Nazism was not Fascism. It borrowed from Fascism but it added mystic
> racism, Hitler cult, and genocide.
Didn't imply that.
Much less I'd say... if someone's wearing a Mussolini corporate state
control merger fascism-pin, as implied by your quote of Mussolini, then it
doesn't matter to me which other pins, mystical or belief (what was that
difference again?) based, that person wears: they are fascist in that
precise sense. They might be Japanese, play scrabble, and be slightly
overweight too, which is absolutely, definitely healthy ;)
An adherent to Nazism is a fascist via the corporate-state-merger-idea and
reasoning, although the reverse is not necessary. Nazism did not merely
"borrow" this: the whole economic upswing in the early Nazi years can be
traced to the merger idea, and Germany took this as far as it could. If
corporations didn't play ball: leave or die.
They were facist or corporatist in this precise sense, and the
cult/mysticism (difference to belief, I ask again? Isn't any belief system
viewed externally just 'mysticism' in pejorative sense?) didn't change
this: it enforced it.
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