On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? > > > I am not quite sure, but it comes probably from the consistency of > inconsistency (that is: Gödel's second incompleteness theorem). > Doesn't the second incompleteness theorem imply that all knowable truths are local and that absolute truth is unrecognisable? That makes sense with my empirical understanding of realty: there are things that I find beautiful and others find ugly. Hate groups feel that they just have a correct understanding of reality, and so on. > Actually it comes from the fact that Bf (inconsistency) gives an > evolutionary advantage. Like the true Dt, Bf can be used to prove correct > arithmetical propositions, to shorten the proofs of non trivial > propositions, etc. I am able to conceive, some day, that all axioms of > infinity are of this type (but this is a strong statement). > > So basically the hate, the falsehood and the ugliness comes from their > local evolutionary advantage. A bit like robbing a bank can be justified, > when the goal is to make money locally and quickly. A bit like when the > "first animal" decided to feed on a vegetal, which is a form of molecules > stealing, at some level. Then other animals steal the molecules of those > vegetarians, and so on. This has generated the evolutionary heuristic: to > eat or to be eaten, and sometimes that hurts. > Ok - at the evolutionary level of abstraction. > > In the main line ... > > Bruno > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One >> (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I >> sense God's presence. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 1/9/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
