Dear Bruno, you know we agree (mostly), you wrote lately that you are "more" agnostic than myself - what I doubt since your "religion" includes numbers and math(logic) and mine not. What I take for "granted" is our limited capability to learn them all about the *infinite complexity* of which we formulate a 'model' of the (already) knowable - as *adjusted* to our present level mind-function. There is 'evidence' of a steady growing of such knowledge over the millennia of (human) enlightenment. There is * N O * evidence about it's qualia - i.e. that we CAN comprehend any facet of that *infinite complexity*. We think in 'facts' and their factual(?) relations what may be absolutely false.
I am not an atheist: I just do not fall for hearsay. I say it in all honesty that "I dunno". Nor am I a materialist - consider the physical world (and conventional sciences) figments how our human mind (??) explains the not-understood phenomena we get a glimps of. You do it by math: an unexplained arithmetics, I do not do it at all. The best for the New Year John M On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: > > >> >> According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One >> (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I >> sense God's presence. >> > > I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who will > tell you that if "beauty" is god, then he believes in God, but that is not > the God he is talking about when declaring himself an atheist. > > An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus. Really. > > Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than atheism, > because with comp, not only the literal Christian God does not exist, but > the myth or a primitive material universe has to be abandoned too. I > disagree because comp invite us firmly to come back to the scientific > notion of God (transcendental truth at the root of everything, faith in > reincarnation). > > Science is always based on a religion. Scientist who pretend to have no > religion are person who take so much their religion for granted that they > cannot doubt it, and so becomes pseudo-priest of some sort. It is often the > case with the (weak) materialist (as almost all people are still today). > > Bruno > > > > >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 1/9/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
