On 13 Jan 2013, at 20:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/13/2013 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:48, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the Kantian
sense. I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind.
space and time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold
which is pure mathematical and nothing else. Maybe we can see
space out there and we can think on geometrical figures in space
(not algebraically) because we have space-mode rasoning on the
mind, not because space is pre-existent to the mind, neither
because space is something in mathematics, because space is
described in math without gemetry.
And may be that the autopoietic computation, in the forms of
natural selection, life and mind are trajectories in the space-
time manifold, which, when looked closely form outside space-
time, they are nothing but fortunate collisions of particle
trajectories and molecules so that entropy stay controlled along
these lines, with no reason but fortunate manifold structure and
fortunate initial conditions. But looked from inside it appears
to have phenomena like matter space, causality, termodinamic
irreversibility, time, minds etc.
OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is
necessarily so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis
testable.
We have the logical entaiment:
Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness.
It is a generalization of "natural selection" operating from
arithmetical truth, and in which the physical reality is itself the
result of a self-selection events (the global first person
indeterminacy).
This generalizes both Darwin and Everett, somehow.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
Dear Bruno,
This logical entailment seems to render consciousness to be an
epiphenomena with no causal efficacy.
Not at all. Why? I don't see this at all. I have explained that
consciousness has an important role of self-speeding ourself
relatively to local universal numbers. It is a must for most self-
moving entities.
How can the physical reality/matter level put any selective pressure
on the sharing of dreams?
The physical is the making of the sharability.
You seem to be replicating Nietzsche's problem of recurrence.
?
I give the theory, and how to derive both quanta and qualia from it. I
am not sure I see the problem.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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