On 1/13/2013 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:48, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the Kantian sense.
I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind. space and
time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold which is pure
mathematical and nothing else. Maybe we can see space out there and
we can think on geometrical figures in space (not algebraically)
because we have space-mode rasoning on the mind, not because space
is pre-existent to the mind, neither because space is something in
mathematics, because space is described in math without gemetry.
And may be that the autopoietic computation, in the forms of natural
selection, life and mind are trajectories in the space-time manifold,
which, when looked closely form outside space-time, they are nothing
but fortunate collisions of particle trajectories and molecules so
that entropy stay controlled along these lines, with no reason but
fortunate manifold structure and fortunate initial conditions. But
looked from inside it appears to have phenomena like matter space,
causality, termodinamic irreversibility, time, minds etc.
OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is necessarily
so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis testable.
We have the logical entaiment:
Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness.
It is a generalization of "natural selection" operating from
arithmetical truth, and in which the physical reality is itself the
result of a self-selection events (the global first person indeterminacy).
This generalizes both Darwin and Everett, somehow.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
Dear Bruno,
This logical entailment seems to render consciousness to be an
epiphenomena with no causal efficacy. How can the physical
reality/matter level put any selective pressure on the sharing of
dreams? You seem to be replicating Nietzsche's problem of recurrence.
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Onward!
Stephen
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