Hi Craig,
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth >> without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. >> > > Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and > ideological. > Amoral, sure. Ideological, I don't get it. I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free without an equilibrium based on fire power. I wish that wasn't the case, but what's the way out? > > >> >> The problem in the USA, though, is the in(famous) military-industrial >> complex. Powerful corporations profit incredibly from war. That's the wrong >> incentive. They should profit from peace. The government should not be >> allowed to pay for bombs, but only for the availability of bombs, through >> agreements that pay the same weather the bombs are used or not. >> > > What is the difference between paying for bombs and paying for an > availability of bombs? Like they can buy only stock options, but not stock? > Why would the government want to buy the availability of bombs which they > cannot use? > They can use them, but they pay a flat rate for the availability. If it doesn't matter if they use more or less, powerful private interests have less incentive to lobby for war. > > >> >> Cheers, >> Telmo. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi John Mikes >>> >>> You wrongly assume that the killing power of the infantry >>> necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I >>> believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. >>> >> > That's part of the "Vietnam Never Happened" historical revisionist > portfolio. A simple idea, but not really very useful since 1945. > > Craig > > >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* John Mikes >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2013-01-27, 12:31:36 >>> *Subject:* Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry >>> >>> Roger -� >>> thank you for your clear-minded post. I my add: there is a shortage of >>> men for the imperialistic politics the US seems to pursue and without >>> resoring to general draft only the female input is hopeful.� >>> John Mikes >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> � >>>> The "unfairness" argument爁or allowing women into the infantry >>>> is emotionally based, thus爃ard to defend against, so that regrettably >>>> I fell for it. 燭he argument is that爊ot allowing women into the >>>> infantry is unfair to women because "they are just as good as men" >>>> at fighting,� and not allowing them in the infantry is unfair to their >>>> advancement. >>>> � >>>> This pov has been tested by the Bristih military, and it was withdrawn >>>> after 18 months because it didn't work.� >>>> � >>>> The function of the military is to insure our national security, not >>>> to be fair to women, so that the correct question should be, instead, >>>> "will allowing women into the infantry improve the killing power of the >>>> military ?" >>>> � >>>> � >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> � >>>> � >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________**________ >>> *DreamMail* - Your mistake not to try it once, but my mistake for your >>> leaving off. use again www.dreammail.org >>> <%--DreamMail_AD_END--> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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