On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

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> On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:46, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> Hi Bruno,
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> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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>> On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote:
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>>  Hi Telmo Menezes
>>
>> Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge,
>> a quantum has infinite paths available between
>> points A and B without invoking another universe.
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>> Once we are able to use (classical) information obtained in the other
>> quantum paths, like when doing a Fourier transform on  some superposition
>> of many computations, like in a quantum computer, what makes them different
>> of other universes?
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> The superposition of many computations itself. Superposition of states on
> a same universe are a bit hard to swallow. I think people reject the idea
> of a multiverse because it sounds loony, but my understanding is that
> making QM consistent with a single universe requires magical thinking.
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> OK.
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> It's the same as saying that consciousness emerges from neural activity.
> People overlook the magical step because they are more confortable with the
> resulting model.
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> Totally OK. UDA and MGA are supposed to make that magic step quite
> palatable.
>

But UDA and MGA propose that consciousness supervenes on neural states, not
that it emerges or is caused by them, correct?


> Naturalism used magic without saying, but our brains is gifted for this,
> and that makes sense in the evolutive struggle of life.
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> I think we agree,
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> Bruno
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>> Bruno
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>> So no problem.
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>> *Time:* 2013-01-31, 08:13:30
>>  *Subject:* Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
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>>   Hi Roger,
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>> In the one universe model, where does the extra computational power of
>> quantum computers come from?
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>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote:
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>>>  Hi Telmo Menezes
>>>  IMHO more than one universe is unjustified.
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>>> *Time:* 2013-01-30, 12:10:08
>>>  *Subject:* Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
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>>>   Hi Roger,
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>>>  I find it harder to believe in finite universes. Why the precise
>>> number, whatever it is?
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote:
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>>>>  Hi Stephen P. King
>>>>  It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than
>>>> infinite universes.
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>>>>  *Time:* 2013-01-28, 09:20:33
>>>> *Subject:* About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
>>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>> 牋 I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295
>>>>
>>>>  About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
>>>>  Francisco Jos Soler 
>>>> Gil<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1>
>>>> , Manuel 
>>>> Alfonseca<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Alfonseca_M/0/1/0/all/0/1>
>>>>  (Submitted on 22 Jan 2013 (v1 <http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295v1>),
>>>> last revised 23 Jan 2013 (this version, v2))
>>>>
>>>> This paper analyzes two different proposals, one by Ellis and Brundrit,
>>>> based on classical relativistic cosmology, the other by Garriga and
>>>> Vilenkin, based on the DH interpretation of quantum mechanics, both of
>>>> which conclude that, in an infinite universe, planets and living beings
>>>> must be repeated an infinite number of times. We point to some possible
>>>> shortcomings in the arguments of these authors. We conclude that the idea
>>>> of an infinite repetition of histories in space cannot be considered
>>>> strictly speaking a consequence of current physics and cosmology. Such
>>>> ideas should be seen rather as examples of {\guillemotleft}ironic
>>>> science{\guillemotright} in the terminology of John Horgan.
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>>>>
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