On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo Menezes >> >> Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, >> a quantum has infinite paths available between >> points A and B without invoking another universe. >> >> >> Once we are able to use (classical) information obtained in the other >> quantum paths, like when doing a Fourier transform on some superposition >> of many computations, like in a quantum computer, what makes them different >> of other universes? >> > > The superposition of many computations itself. Superposition of states on > a same universe are a bit hard to swallow. I think people reject the idea > of a multiverse because it sounds loony, but my understanding is that > making QM consistent with a single universe requires magical thinking. > > > OK. > > > It's the same as saying that consciousness emerges from neural activity. > People overlook the magical step because they are more confortable with the > resulting model. > > > Totally OK. UDA and MGA are supposed to make that magic step quite > palatable. > But UDA and MGA propose that consciousness supervenes on neural states, not that it emerges or is caused by them, correct? > Naturalism used magic without saying, but our brains is gifted for this, > and that makes sense in the evolutive struggle of life. > > I think we agree, > > Bruno > > > > > > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> So no problem. >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >> *Time:* 2013-01-31, 08:13:30 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> In the one universe model, where does the extra computational power of >> quantum computers come from? >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi Telmo Menezes >>> IMHO more than one universe is unjustified. >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >>> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >>> *Time:* 2013-01-30, 12:10:08 >>> *Subject:* Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space >>> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> I find it harder to believe in finite universes. Why the precise >>> number, whatever it is? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Stephen P. King >>>> It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than >>>> infinite universes. >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> *From:* Stephen P. King <[email protected]> >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >>>> *Time:* 2013-01-28, 09:20:33 >>>> *Subject:* About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> 牋 I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 >>>> >>>> About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space >>>> Francisco Jos Soler >>>> Gil<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1> >>>> , Manuel >>>> Alfonseca<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Alfonseca_M/0/1/0/all/0/1> >>>> (Submitted on 22 Jan 2013 (v1 <http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295v1>), >>>> last revised 23 Jan 2013 (this version, v2)) >>>> >>>> This paper analyzes two different proposals, one by Ellis and Brundrit, >>>> based on classical relativistic cosmology, the other by Garriga and >>>> Vilenkin, based on the DH interpretation of quantum mechanics, both of >>>> which conclude that, in an infinite universe, planets and living beings >>>> must be repeated an infinite number of times. We point to some possible >>>> shortcomings in the arguments of these authors. We conclude that the idea >>>> of an infinite repetition of histories in space cannot be considered >>>> strictly speaking a consequence of current physics and cosmology. Such >>>> ideas should be seen rather as examples of {\guillemotleft}ironic >>>> science{\guillemotright} in the terminology of John Horgan. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Onward! >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> *DreamMail* - The first mail software supporting source tracking >>>> www.dreammail.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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