On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:

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On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door ofLANGUAGE. Language is indeed a self-serving thing. A description ofsomething is a dance of language, not a dance of PERCEPTION.Perception is often throttled by the processes of language. We needto move beyond words. This is the importance of math and music(which is audible math IMO.)That seems contradictory. Mathematics is very restricted language -declaratory sentences, logically consistent.

`Mathematics is not a language at all. You might be confusing`

`mathematics and the theories used to put some light on some`

`mathematical reality.`

`Also most mathematicians don't care so much about logical consistency.`

`That notion is studied by logicians, but with few incidence on the`

`doing of mathematicians. Logic is just another branch of math, with`

`its own purpose. It can have application in math, or not.`

It seems to be an interesting fact that all information can beencoded in binary numbers, but that is the antithesis of you viewthat the form of representation, painting, dance, music matters inan essential way.

`The content of the information is usually not encoded, in any form.`

`The mathematical study of that content can be done with some tools in`

`logic, or computare science (with the UM building the meaning), but`

`again, we have to distinguish the content (usually infinite) and the`

`syntactical tools to point on it.`

`Math is as different from language than the physical universe is`

`different from a book in cosmology.`

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