On 2/10/2013 12:14 PM, John Mikes wrote:

Bruno, you write mystique. First you mention "THE REAL UNIVERSE" (who said ther IS one?)then you line up a series of "IF"-s. What about IF NOT?You seem to justify the 'truth' of arithmetics on the basis of human logic (prime #s,2+2=4, etc.) which may be a flimsy dependence of the Natural Logic building up theWorld. Maybe an illogicalistics?We are restricted in our tiny mindset and think "That's IT!"

`But we wouldn't be so quick to say, "That's IT!" if we remembered that we just made it up,`

`including the mathematics to talk about it. Sure, we think it has *something* to do with`

`"the real universe", but we can't be sure; we can only know what's worked so far.`

Brent

Looking at those 10 millennia of human evolution: we gradually get smarter and knowabout more and more (rightly or wrongly). But we still have no idea whether ANYTHING wethink is real, of just a fantasy in our effort to EXPLAIN the unknowables?You wrote you are "more" agnostic than myself. Does it apply to those "if"-s?

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