On 2/15/2013 12:38 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 12:05 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Sure, but they are ontological conjugates, i.e. you can be chosen
locally without having the ability to make choices yourself
(theoretically anyways), but you can't be chosen without the
presence of some choosing agency in the universe.
BINGO - here's a smuggled premise, the premise of 'choosing agency' -
why would there be agency to any choosing force? this is like making
the same mistake as eager adaptationist versions of evolution that
import 'just so' stories to explain what are, in essence, really
quite blind and arbitrary design decisions that propagate from one
generation to the next (spandrels- steven j. gould), for the simple
reason that they a) didn't die before they had more offspring and b)
had offspring to propagate that feature...I would say, on the
contrary, that is is quite easy to be chosen without the presence of
a choosing agency, and the fact of natural selection proves this (as
far as i am aware, no one has ever said natural selection is an
'agent', complete with all of the free will ramifications that this
Wait, what? Flyer, you didn't define the symmetry that made
"agency" vanish! My offspring are not perfect copies of me! Thus their
choices are different from my choices. So how do I get credit for the
appearance of agency of my off-spring? If there is no agency, how the
heck does it seem to me that I have agency to the point of
experiencing it's 'agency-ness' directly 1p? Spandrels must be all
exactly isomorphic to Gould's reasoning to be sound.
I am saying that natural selection is an 'agent'! Any act of
selection implies an agent of some kind unless that act is forced.
Essentially, Flyer, I am asking: What makes the feature of 'agency' special?
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