On 21 Feb 2013, at 13:17, Pierz wrote:
I have tried both DMT and salvia, although my salvia hits were much
milder than my DMT doses. I found DMT quite terrifying in many ways,
and I can totally relate what Bruno says regarding the salvia
experience not being fun, how it is hard and exhausting, and how one
procrastinates its use, to my experience of DMT. I keep intending to
use it again, but continually put it off, because it is just such a
difficult thing for the mind to deal with. One isn't physically or
mentally tired afterwards, but one's soul is exhausted! It's the
most spiritually taxing thing imaginable. There is something
terribly impersonal about the world one enters, like some vast
machinery of mind in which anything is conceivable. It is extremely
harsh. Mind you, it might be totally different the next time -
despite commonalities between trips, it is wildly unpredictable. One
thing I did notice was that low doses of salvia leave the well-known
positive hang over, whereas low doses of DMT do not. I was never
able to get a big enough hit from salvia to get me anywhere near the
extreme psychic bungee-jump of DMT, but I'm sure with a pure enough
product, the experience is probably similar in intensity.
The attitude toward drug policy is a solid remnant of the attitude of
Roman Christianity toward mystics. "---Don' do research by yourself,
we have the truth, obey us without doubting, doubt and knowledge is
the devil", etc.
It is just obvious that altered conscious states provides non trivial
observations on the working of mind and brain, and possibly the nature
of reality.
Science has not yet begun. We are in an obscurantist period, since
1500 years. Free-thinking does not yet exist in academies, with few
exceptions. "Modernity" is an opportunist indexical.
Bruno
On Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:57:57 PM UTC+11, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant to
the search for a TOE. But, recall that CONSCIOUSNESS is the ultimate
final frontier in science and that voyagers in consciousness-
altering substances have a perspective to contribute here. This blog
I find to be one of the more convincingly serious and thought-
provoking essays on the use of DMT that I have yet encountered. In
many ways, the experience of Ayahuasca seems to dovetail with the
experience of Salvia Divinorum, as I'm sure Bruno will agree. I have
tried neither, but would leap at the opportunity were it to present
itself to me.
Fascinating, Captain, fascinating.
Kim Jones.
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