Two flowers bloom at sunrise every day without fail. Does one cause the other to bloom? Do the flowers cause the sun to rise? Instead of two flowers, think of one flower that blooms at sunrise, and something else that happens at sunrise that is completely unlike a flower - like a particular song plays. If we apply this metaphorically to consciousness, then the flower and the music are two perpendicular, correlated expressions of the sunrise. Our subjective consciousness is the music, and it is part of a history of music going back to the dawn of time, and the flower is what the music looks like from the outside, and it has a separate history of plants going back to the dawn of botany or matter. > > Two unrelated systems can both be related to a third, >> > > If they are both related to the same thing then they are not unrelated. > They can be unrelated except for their mutual relation to the third thing though, obviously. Craig > > John K Clark > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.