On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:44:23 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
> >>> We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
>>>> that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
>>> >> What the hell???
>> > Books aren't neurological, right?
> Right, but they are certainly material.
They don't conduct potassium ions from the brain though.
> > There is no direct link between the author's brain and the reader's
> There is never a "direct link" between one mind and another, there is
> always a material middle man, usually many, such as photons reflected off
> paper in a book, or air vibrations from vocal cords, or in chemical changes
> in the nerves of fingers, or whatever.
Then by your reasoning, since there is *always* a material middle man, then
the middle man must cause consciousness of the book rather than
> > Just like the light switch
> There is not a "direct link" between the light switch and the light going
> on either, the closing of the light switch just caused a current to flow in
> the wire, the current flow didn't cause the light either it just caused the
> filament in the light bulb to get hot, it was the hot electrons in the
> filament that caused the electromagnetic waves to be produced.
Now apply that to the brain. Chemical changes in the neurons
cause...nothing but more chemical changes in cells. From our point of view
however, our intention to stand up causes our body to stand up.
> > you remove any connection between neurons, yet the words of one brain
>> (or brain activity ostensibly associated with the words) are still
>> transmitted from one to the other.
> When you write books I don't always read them AND if I don't read your
> book your book still exists, so I can say with great confidence that my
> reading of your books does not cause your books to exist.
But all books that are read cause a similar awareness. Just like a
neurotransmitter might cause a similar awareness.
> John K Clark
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