Brent >>Five years and no positive result.<<
The study hasn't been released yet. It gets released in November, this year. <<No every trait is driven by natural selection. So long as it is not sufficiently contrary to reproductive success it may be carried along in a population.>> This, goes against Darwinian principles does it not? Everything is natural selection, unless it's artificial selection. I wonder if there was an artificial selection going on, that occurred because of human behavior of our ancestors, both recent and remote? I can't come up with such an line of behavior, but perhaps someone else can. What kind and manner of behavior would prevent a wounded animals' death, so they can survive and procreate? How did these vivid hallucinations evolve in a dying creatures brain. We understand endorphins and enkepflins (sp?), but what creates a trans-real illusion in a dying brain? How does this emerge, biologically, through randomness? We will have to wait until November to see if Parnia comes up with something interesting, or it's a dead end, literally. The more interesting the evidence, the more vehement will be the opposition. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Apr 13, 2013 4:53 pm Subject: Re: NDE's Proved Real? On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, [email protected] wrote: Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam Parnia, releases his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary of this study in his new book, Erasing Death (US) or The Lazarus Effect (UK). Same book different titles. Parnia's AWARE study involves 25 hospital emergency rooms, in which signs or messages are place in odd places, that face upwards, to determine if out of body sensing is valid? A patient seeing a 5-pointed star with a daisy printed next to it, that has been placed 3 metre's above the emergency room floors might be an example of what Parnia has done. If no patient was able to see what was on the sign, then that tells us something. Five years and no positive result. Parnia's medical speciality is cardiology annd ressucitation. The main thrust of his research is not primarilly, NDE's but his focus is using techniques like cold treatments to preserve body and neural tissue. Parnia complains that depending on which emergency room physicians use cold revival techniques, and which do not, will effect the chances of survivability and recovery of the patient. Fore example, Dr. Parnia says that in the US, Seattle is the place to be, for cardiological issues, because in Seattle, hospitals are well-versed and trained in cold revival techniques-cooling the heart, cooling the brain, whatever? The NDE aspect is a possibly significant side benefit to ressucitation research. What do I expect? I am not sure, although the opponents of the Liege study haven't yet come up with the "vividity" explanation, versus dreams, hallucinations, and drug trips. In other words, you can lose the cognitve regions of your brain, if you imbibe some bad, blotter acid, and not be able to recognize your imagination, a visual image, a memory, from every day life. One simply believes what one hears and see's. The vivid NDE stuff seems somehow different, whatever it's origin. Is there a neuro-chemical mechanism that kicks in with super vivid hallucinations? Hard to understand the neural mechanism for this. When you've lost blood, do you produce a lot of serotonin, or endorphins? What evolution basis causes this, if that is our explanation. How did it become a successful trait that permitted wounded or damaged animals, to survive, What makes you think it helps them survive? and thus, mate, and therefore, go on to have offspring with this trait? Nature, red in tooth and claw, would likely have accidently evolved to elininate, such damaged animals. So what gives? No every trait is driven by natural selection. So long as it is not sufficiently contrary to reproductive success it may be carried along in a population. Brent -Mitch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6241 - Release Date: 04/12/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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