On 06 Apr 2013, at 06:38, Richard Ruquist wrote:
There is no hell
Ah?
In which theory? You derive this from CY?
In which theology? What is your definition of hell?
Bruno
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg
<whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because
the 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a
compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (= death) nobody comes
back to tell the stories. This comes from a 'participant' and long
time partner in OUIJA-board sessions of honest friends. I still
cannot explain those miraculous experiences (saved my life once)
coming allegedly from 'dead' benefactors I knew before they died.
Someone brought a OUIJA board to school in fourth grade and I was
using it with a friend. Unimpressed, another fourth girl that
neither of us knew very well said we should ask a question that
nobody would know. She asked what the name of her bird was. As the
word LANCELOT was spelled out, she was dumbstruck. This was a very
studious 10 year old Asian girl in a highly gifted program - we
covered a lot of science in class and I think it is safe to say that
she was scientifically oriented. If she had some secret pact with
the girl I was doing the board with, she certainly didn't seem very
happy about it and she didn't seem like a very good actress. She
seemed confused and worried and did not want any more to do with the
board.
Craig
I do not support the reference to the BIG journals (had ~100
publications, some in such, then was editor of a 'smaller' one) - it
is 'click-stuff' and refereed by well selected (opinionated)
scientists mostly. However the reference to the Nobel prize lost its
credibility e.g. with certain (peace)Prize assignment going to a war-
monger politician. Even in sciences it occurred that hypothetical
and fantasy-based ideas were awarded the Prize (e.g. circumstances
of the Big Bang etc.). Not to mention the questionable lit.
What does an agnostic like myself believe? that we don't know 'it'.
John M
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:56 PM, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dull in what way?
Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of
typed onto a obscure website about experimental results that would
revolutionize not just science but the entire world if true are dull.
> You didn't read the article I guess
I have not read it nor do I intend to; let me know when something
like that shows up in Science or Nature or Physical Review letters.
John K Clark
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