On 10 May 2013, at 18:12, meekerdb wrote:

On 5/10/2013 1:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Indeed. Even more so when you see that the collapse is really an axiom saying that the theory (QM) does not apply to observation. The old QM is really like "QM + QM is false". Then there has been that myth that "observation perturbs", making the collapse looking very much like a physical normal thing to happen, but Einstein made the remark that if that was the case, the observation can no more be covariant, and Bohr replied simply "OK, that collapse is not a physical process", but then what is it?

An epistemological one?

Exactly. And with comp, this leads to self-reference relatively to many universal numbers, in many different senses.
A complex calculus, no doubt.

Bruno





Brent

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