On 08 May 2013, at 17:35, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/8/2013 1:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 May 2013, at 20:55, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2013 John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> there is no random decay or anything else
There is no way you can deduce that from pure reason and the
experimental evidence strongly indicates that you are wrong about
that.
> only things that happen without our - so far - accessed
explanation.
And thanks to experiments involving Bell's inequality we know for
a fact that if apparently random things happen for a reason they
can't be local reasons; for example the reason the coin came up
heads right now is because a billion years in the FUTURE a
butterfly like creature on a planet in the Andromeda Galaxy
flapped it's wings twice instead of 3 times.
You assume the collapse of the wave.
I don't think that requires a wave function collapse, it's explained
by Everett's MWI also, which is a kind of non-local hidden variable.
Why non local? There is nothing non local in Everett's MWI.
There are experimental evidences against it, and there are no
experimental evidence of any randomness other than some FPI, on the
branch of a universal wave, or, as we need with comp, on arithmetic.
To believe in events without cause or reason is ... pseudo-religion.
No it's just the other sect; opposite the one that believes there
can be no randomness.
Randomness exists in math. Indeed the vast majority of numbers written
in any base is random (incompressible). But there are no evidence at
all of random 3p phenomenon in nature, and to bet on them seems like
abandoning research.
It is a belief in something without any evidences, to introduce
unsolvable problem on purpose.
Evidence is always relative to some theory.
But no theories suggest 3p randomness in nature. Comp and Everett
explains appearance of randomness, but they are particular case of the
FPI, and are not 3p, only 1p (hopefully plural).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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