I agree, Saibal, but we don't really need to have an actual creature living
and breathing creature; any simulation of an 'elephant' will do. All that
matters is that the resources that support the 'creature' are verifiable in
multiple independent ways.


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:23 AM, <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:

> They exist if there is a consistent description of them. Even within
> conventional physics there is room for that, as discussed recently on this
> list. In the MWI or in eternal inflation models, everything that is not
> strictly forbidden by the conservation laws will happen.
>
> Flying pink elephants can e.g. exist on planets with an extemely dense
> atmosphere, there was a NGC documentary a few years ago about this topic,
> it was suggested that you could have flying whales on such planets.
>
> Saibal
>
> Citeren Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>:
>
>
>> On 08 Jun 2013, at 07:41, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>>
>>  " If you believe that a flying pink elephant is pink, must you  believe
>>> a flying pink elephant exists?"
>>>
>>> Yes, at least for the chap that holds the belief and the belief is  true
>>> (ala Bruno).
>>>
>>
>> Right, but like I said, I believe also that flying pink elephant are  not
>> pink. And so I can easily prove that flying pink elephant does not  exist,
>> as far as I am consistent.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2013 4:00 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, if there was a text of this it would be nice... I found this:
>>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/fictionalism-**mathematics/<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism-mathematics/>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A fictionalist account holds that some things are fictional, i.e.  don't
>>> exist even though their complete description is self- consistent.
>>>  Everythingists apparently reject this idea.  Platonists  seem to equate
>>> 'true' with 'exists'.  If you believe 17 is prime you  must believe 17
>>> exists.  I think this is wrong.  If you believe that  a flying pink
>>> elephant is pink, must you believe a flying pink  elephant exists?
>>>
>>>
>>> Brent
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