[email protected] via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=1311182> googlegroups.com 8:37 PM (31 minutes ago) to everything-list But if such a real physical pink elephant can't exist, that means that it is not a logically consistent concept to begin with. If one starts from a logically consistent system, then one can always find a physical system whose equations of motion realize it, it will then exist in a generic multiverse scenario.
Saibal Hi Saibal, Does existence mean "has a physical structure that can be measured by arbitrary observers"? If so, how can a number 'exist'? On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > But if such a real physical pink elephant can't exist, that means that it > is not a logically consistent concept to begin with. If one starts from a > logically consistent system, then one can always find a physical system > whose equations of motion realize it, it will then exist in a generic > multiverse scenario. > > Saibal > > Citeren meekerdb <[email protected]>: > > On 6/8/2013 12:03 PM, John Mikes wrote: >> >>> You are mixing conventional physicalist-materialist apples with >>> imaginary oranges. Anything 'could be'. >>> >> >> That's my point. Anything 'could be' if the only constraint is logical >> consistency (not self contradictory). But in the sense of 'be' that >> requires a universe and observers there appear to be other, nomological >> constraints. So there could be an animal that looks superficially like and >> elephant and lives on a planet who's atmosphere is as dense as water and is >> pink. But it couldn't also have the same DNA and metabolic system as and >> elephant. So it would only 'be a flying pink elephant' because we use the >> words to denote a certain similarity in appearance. >> >> Brent >> >> >> Question: would such "anything" be topic for this physicalist-based >>> conventional EVERYTHING List? >>> Q-2: are OUR colors defined for different physical circumstances as >>> well? BTW - IMO flying is not restricted to a conventionally called >>> 'gaseous' medium, so 'swimming' can be considered an alternate for flying. >>> - PINK Whales? <G> >>> Rem: of course 'they' all exist - if not otherwise: in our mind. >>> JM >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/8/2013 5:23 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> They exist if there is a consistent description of them. Even >>> within >>> conventional physics there is room for that, as discussed >>> recently on this list. >>> In the MWI or in eternal inflation models, everything that is >>> not strictly >>> forbidden by the conservation laws will happen. >>> >>> Flying pink elephants can e.g. exist on planets with an extemely >>> dense >>> atmosphere, there was a NGC documentary a few years ago about >>> this topic, it was >>> suggested that you could have flying whales on such planets. >>> >>> >>> Could you identify them as elephants and whales by their DNA? 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