My complaint is that there doesn't seem to be a consistent definition of existence!
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected] > wrote: > > [email protected] > via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=1311182> > googlegroups.com > 8:37 PM (31 minutes ago) > to everything-list > But if such a real physical pink elephant can't exist, that means that > it is not a logically consistent concept to begin with. If one starts from > a logically consistent system, then one can always find a physical system > whose equations of motion realize it, it will then exist in a generic > multiverse scenario. > > Saibal > > Hi Saibal, > > Does existence mean "has a physical structure that can be measured by > arbitrary observers"? If so, how can a number 'exist'? > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But if such a real physical pink elephant can't exist, that means that it >> is not a logically consistent concept to begin with. If one starts from a >> logically consistent system, then one can always find a physical system >> whose equations of motion realize it, it will then exist in a generic >> multiverse scenario. >> >> Saibal >> >> Citeren meekerdb <[email protected]>: >> >> On 6/8/2013 12:03 PM, John Mikes wrote: >>> >>>> You are mixing conventional physicalist-materialist apples with >>>> imaginary oranges. Anything 'could be'. >>>> >>> >>> That's my point. Anything 'could be' if the only constraint is logical >>> consistency (not self contradictory). But in the sense of 'be' that >>> requires a universe and observers there appear to be other, nomological >>> constraints. So there could be an animal that looks superficially like and >>> elephant and lives on a planet who's atmosphere is as dense as water and is >>> pink. But it couldn't also have the same DNA and metabolic system as and >>> elephant. So it would only 'be a flying pink elephant' because we use the >>> words to denote a certain similarity in appearance. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> >>> Question: would such "anything" be topic for this physicalist-based >>>> conventional EVERYTHING List? >>>> Q-2: are OUR colors defined for different physical circumstances as >>>> well? BTW - IMO flying is not restricted to a conventionally called >>>> 'gaseous' medium, so 'swimming' can be considered an alternate for flying. >>>> - PINK Whales? <G> >>>> Rem: of course 'they' all exist - if not otherwise: in our mind. >>>> JM >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/8/2013 5:23 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> They exist if there is a consistent description of them. Even >>>> within >>>> conventional physics there is room for that, as discussed >>>> recently on this list. >>>> In the MWI or in eternal inflation models, everything that is >>>> not strictly >>>> forbidden by the conservation laws will happen. >>>> >>>> Flying pink elephants can e.g. exist on planets with an >>>> extemely dense >>>> atmosphere, there was a NGC documentary a few years ago about >>>> this topic, it was >>>> suggested that you could have flying whales on such planets. >>>> >>>> >>>> Could you identify them as elephants and whales by their DNA? >>>> Could the elephants >>>> be pink? >>>> >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to >>>> >>>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >>>> >>>> <mailto:everything-list%**[email protected]<everything-list%[email protected]> >>>> **>. >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.* >>>> *com <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> <mailto:everything-list@**googlegroups.com<[email protected]> >>>> >. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >>>> >>>> Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6394 - Release Date: >>>> 06/08/13 >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to >>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >>> . >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >> topic/everything-list/_**ONFIcyntY4/unsubscribe?hl=en<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/_ONFIcyntY4/unsubscribe?hl=en> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >> . >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >> . >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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