I am trying to make a point about existence...

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 6/8/2013 4:38 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> Hi Brent,
>
>  So what would a computer generated simulation of a Pink Elephant in a
> simulated world be? Would it exist?
>
>
> It would exist in the computer simulation.  But would it be a "Pink
> Elephant" - that seems like a question of semantics.  We look at the screen
> and say, "That's a pink elephant." but we don't mean that literally.
> Simulated people in the simulation may say, "That's a pink elephant." and
> mean it literally.
>
> Brent
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>  On 6/8/2013 12:03 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>>
>> You are mixing conventional physicalist-materialist apples with imaginary
>> oranges. Anything 'could be'.
>>
>>
>>  That's my point.  Anything 'could be' if the only constraint is logical
>> consistency (not self contradictory).  But in the sense of 'be' that
>> requires a universe and observers there appear to be other, nomological
>> constraints.  So there could be an animal that looks superficially like and
>> elephant and lives on a planet who's atmosphere is as dense as water and is
>> pink.  But it couldn't also have the same DNA and metabolic system as and
>> elephant.  So it would only 'be a flying pink elephant' because we use the
>> words to denote a certain similarity in appearance.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>>  Question: would such "anything" be topic for this physicalist-based
>> conventional EVERYTHING List?
>> Q-2: are OUR colors defined for different physical circumstances as well?
>> BTW - IMO  flying is not restricted to a conventionally called 'gaseous'
>> medium, so 'swimming' can be considered an alternate for flying. - PINK
>> Whales? <G>
>> Rem: of course 'they' all exist - if not otherwise: in our mind.
>> JM
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/8/2013 5:23 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
>>>
>>>> They exist if there is a consistent description of them. Even within
>>>> conventional physics there is room for that, as discussed recently on this
>>>> list. In the MWI or in eternal inflation models, everything that is not
>>>> strictly forbidden by the conservation laws will happen.
>>>>
>>>> Flying pink elephants can e.g. exist on planets with an extemely dense
>>>> atmosphere, there was a NGC documentary a few years ago about this topic,
>>>> it was suggested that you could have flying whales on such planets.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could you identify them as elephants and whales by their DNA?  Could the
>>> elephants be pink?
>>>
>>>
>>> Brent
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