I am trying to make a point about existence...
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6/8/2013 4:38 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Hi Brent, > > So what would a computer generated simulation of a Pink Elephant in a > simulated world be? Would it exist? > > > It would exist in the computer simulation. But would it be a "Pink > Elephant" - that seems like a question of semantics. We look at the screen > and say, "That's a pink elephant." but we don't mean that literally. > Simulated people in the simulation may say, "That's a pink elephant." and > mean it literally. > > Brent > > > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 6/8/2013 12:03 PM, John Mikes wrote: >> >> You are mixing conventional physicalist-materialist apples with imaginary >> oranges. Anything 'could be'. >> >> >> That's my point. Anything 'could be' if the only constraint is logical >> consistency (not self contradictory). But in the sense of 'be' that >> requires a universe and observers there appear to be other, nomological >> constraints. So there could be an animal that looks superficially like and >> elephant and lives on a planet who's atmosphere is as dense as water and is >> pink. But it couldn't also have the same DNA and metabolic system as and >> elephant. So it would only 'be a flying pink elephant' because we use the >> words to denote a certain similarity in appearance. >> >> Brent >> >> >> Question: would such "anything" be topic for this physicalist-based >> conventional EVERYTHING List? >> Q-2: are OUR colors defined for different physical circumstances as well? >> BTW - IMO flying is not restricted to a conventionally called 'gaseous' >> medium, so 'swimming' can be considered an alternate for flying. - PINK >> Whales? <G> >> Rem: of course 'they' all exist - if not otherwise: in our mind. >> JM >> >> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 6/8/2013 5:23 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> They exist if there is a consistent description of them. Even within >>>> conventional physics there is room for that, as discussed recently on this >>>> list. In the MWI or in eternal inflation models, everything that is not >>>> strictly forbidden by the conservation laws will happen. >>>> >>>> Flying pink elephants can e.g. exist on planets with an extemely dense >>>> atmosphere, there was a NGC documentary a few years ago about this topic, >>>> it was suggested that you could have flying whales on such planets. >>>> >>> >>> Could you identify them as elephants and whales by their DNA? 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