Hi Roger >> This boggles my mind. I am purely matter. ?????
Should be: This boggles my mind. I am not I. regards. From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Materialism and Buddhism Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:22:11 +0200 Hi Roger, I was searching for my Vasubandhu text (an important idealist buddhist) but realize that your link to Stanford provides a rather good summary. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/ It includes notably Vasubandhu's reference to the dream argument. The yogavasistha also includes many references to idealist tradition in Buddhism and Hinduism. A nice book on the Yogavasistha is the book by Wendy Doniger O' Flaherty "Dreams, Illusions and Other Realities" (The University of Chicago Press, 1984). Bruno On 03 Jul 2013, at 16:04, Bruno Marchal wrote:H Roger, Buddhism is very vast. Basically all school of philosophy are represented. My own reading of the Hinaya texts makes me believe that they were right at the start idealists, and that they follow somehow the vedas, which are idealists. Mahayana buddhism confirms this idealism. I am not sure of a buddhist who would be materialist in the western sense of the word. Many are weak-materialist, but even this is debatable. I do think there is a trend among some atheists to reinterpret buddhism like it would be coherent with atheism, but few buddhists follows this trend. Then with comp, even weak materialism is made into vitalist like superstition, to be short. Bruno On 03 Jul 2013, at 17:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Jason Resch Thanks very much for this, but apparently the Buddhists think that mind is not "mental" or "idea-like" as in Idealism, but brick-and-mortar-like, as in western Materialism. Apparently the Buddhists believe, as our materialists do, that mind and matter (ideas and rocks) are One: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/ "Perhaps no other classical philosophical tradition, East or West, offers a more complex and counter-intuitive account of mind and mental phenomena than Buddhism. While Buddhists share with other Indian philosophers the view that the domain of the mental encompasses a set of interrelated faculties and processes, they do not associate mental phenomena with the activity of a substantial, independent, and enduring self or agent. Rather, Buddhist theories of mind center on the doctrine of not-self[1] (Pali anatta, Skt.[2] anatma), which postulates that human beings are reducible to the physical and psychological constituents and processes which comprise them. " This boggles my mind. I am purely matter. ????? Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Jason Resch Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-07-02, 17:21:59 Subject: Re: Materialism and Buddhism >I would say Buddhism is closer to idealism than materialism: > >?ind precedes all phenomena, mind matters most, everything is mind-made.? >-- Gautama Buddha > >Jason > >On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> Materialism and Buddhism >> >> Materialism, since it contains no subjectivity or self, and >> is atheisti seems to be a form of Buddhism, so that >> is is possible that it is understandable through >> Buddhist psychology. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
