On 03 Jul 2013, at 20:46, [email protected] wrote:
Not to be a jerk, but can someone give us an example of non-
materialism? Even human thoughts is neurons and chemicals sizzling
away in the skull.
This is your assumption. But Platonist believed that this view might
be wrong. And I argue that if we are machine, it ill be easier to
explain the illusion of matter to conscious number relations (like
what computer handled) than to expolain the illusion of consciousness
to material things.
Is not Ontology a discussion on what exists?
Yes, and with comp, you can consider that only 0 and its successor
exists, and that they obey to some laws (succession, addition,
multiplication: that's enough). Then you can prove in that theory that
all pieces of computations exist, and that matter appears, in the
conscious relative numbers as a stable illusion, obeying laws, etc.
(Epistemology is what is knowledge or what do we know? If I remember
right).
Yes.
Can it then be said, via math that non-material objects exists?
They certainly exists in the logical sense: that we can prove that
prime number exists once we accept that 0 exist.
Does it really exist? But that is a new notion, and if you use it you
have to define it.
If no intelligence is alive to perform the neuron actions sufficient
to comprehend or even search for the non-material, then perhaps it
cannot exist?
With comp we can more easily define intelligence in arithmetic than in
physical terms.
Don't take this as true, but arithmetic gives an example of rational,
objective idealism, where matter apperance can emerge from infinities
of number relations.
Other idealism exist by assuming that the fundamental reality is
consciousness, or God, or whatever considered as being outside the
physical realm.
Bruno
Mitch
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From: Pierz <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:22 pm
Subject: Materialism and Buddhism
I studied Mahajana Tibetan Buddhism in Dharamsala (home of the Dalai
Lama in
exile) back in the day and I agree with Bruno and others that
Buddhism is closer
to idealism than materialism. However Buddhism ultimately rejects
'mind' too,
since what we think of as mind is closely related to the personal
self. The
ultimate reality in Buddhism is nirvana or the void and all
phenomena including
mental phenomena are empty of inherent existence. It is 'a-theistic'
in the
sense that this ultimate reality is not a being like a god with an
identity and
thoughts. However Tibetan Buddhism, like other forms, does believe
in the idea
of god-like (and demon-like) beings in the phenomenal realms. To
equate Buddhism
with materialism on the basis of a few selected quotes would
constitute a highly
tendentious reading of the dharma and in my view is quite wrong.
There is no
possibility of liberation in materialism and the phenomenal world is
seen as the
'real world', the very antithesis of the Buddhist view.
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