> Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our > most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain > norms and then not follow them helped build civilization.
Telmo, Given all the intellectual skills one could identify, that is a strong claim. Would you elaborate? How did that help build civilization? Thanks, Terren On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:25 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > I don't really find the Turing Test that meaningful, to be honest. > > > > > > I am certain that in your like you have met some people that you consider > > brilliant and some that are as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs, if it's > not > > the Turing test how did you differentiate the geniuses from the > imbeciles? > > > >> > I find it a much more worthwhile endeavour to create a machine that > can > >> > understand what we mean > > > > > > And the only way you can tell if a machine (or another human being) > > understands what you mean or not is by observing the subsequent behavior. > > I completely agree. > > However, the Turing test is a very specific instance of a "subsequent > behavior" test. It's one where a machine is asked to be > undistinguishable from a human being when communicating through a text > terminal. This will entail a lot of lying. (e.g: "what do you look > like?"). It's a hard goal, and it will surely help AI progress, but > it's not, in my opinion, an ideal goal. > > >> > like a human does, without the need to convince us that it has human > >> > emotions > > > > > > Some humans are VERY good at convincing other humans that they have > certain > > emotions when they really don't, like actors or con-men; evolution has > > determined that skillful lying can be useful. > > Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our > most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain > norms and then not follow them helped build civilization. > > But a subtle problem with the Turing test is that it hides one of the > hurdles (in my important, the most significant hurdle) with the > progress in AI: defining precisely what the problem is. The Turing > test is a toy test. > > Cheers > Telmo. > > > > > John K Clark > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
