> Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our
> most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain
> norms and then not follow them helped build civilization.

Telmo,

Given all the intellectual skills one could identify, that is a strong
claim. Would you elaborate?  How did that help build civilization?

Thanks,
Terren


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:25 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> > I don't really find the Turing Test that meaningful, to be honest.
> >
> >
> > I am certain that in your like you have met some people that you consider
> > brilliant and some that are as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs, if it's
> not
> > the Turing test how did you differentiate the geniuses from the
> imbeciles?
> >
> >> > I find it a much more worthwhile endeavour to create a machine that
> can
> >> > understand what we mean
> >
> >
> > And the only way you can tell if a machine (or another human being)
> > understands what you mean or not is by observing the subsequent behavior.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> However, the Turing test is a very specific instance of a "subsequent
> behavior" test. It's one where a machine is asked to be
> undistinguishable from a human being when communicating through a text
> terminal. This will entail a lot of lying. (e.g: "what do you look
> like?"). It's a hard goal, and it will surely help AI progress, but
> it's not, in my opinion, an ideal goal.
>
> >> > like a human does, without the need to convince us that it has human
> >> > emotions
> >
> >
> > Some humans are VERY good at convincing other humans that they have
> certain
> > emotions when they really don't, like actors or con-men; evolution has
> > determined that skillful lying can be useful.
>
> Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our
> most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain
> norms and then not follow them helped build civilization.
>
> But a subtle problem with the Turing test is that it hides one of the
> hurdles (in my important, the most significant hurdle) with the
> progress in AI: defining precisely what the problem is. The Turing
> test is a toy test.
>
> Cheers
> Telmo.
>
> >
> > John K Clark
> >
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