Telmo ~ I agree, all the Turing test does is indicate that a computer, operating independently -- that is without a human operator supplying any answers during the course of the test -- can fool a human (on average) that they are dialoging with another person and not with a computer. While this is an important milestone in AI research -- it is just a stand in for any actual potential real intelligence or awareness. Increasingly computers are not programmed in the sense of being provided with a deterministic instruction set - no matter how complex and deep. Increasingly computer code is being put through its own Darwinian process using techniques such as genetic algorithms, automata etc. Computers are in the process of being turned into self learning code generation engines that increasingly are able to write their own operational code. An AI entity would probably be able to easily pass the Turing test - not that hard of a challenge after all for an entity with almost immediate access to a huge cultural memory it can contain. However it may not care that much to try. Another study -- I think by Stanford researchers, but I don't have the link handy though -- has found that the world's top super computers (several of which they were able to test) are currently scoring around the same as an average human four year old. The scores were very uneven across various areas of intelligence that the standardized IQ tests or four year olds tries to measure, as would be expected (after all a super computer is not a four year old person). Personally I think that AI will let us know when it has arisen by whatever means it chooses to let us know. That it will know itself what it wants to do, and that this knowing for itself and acting for itself will be the hallmark event that AI has arrived on the scene. Cheers, -Chris D .
________________________________ From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > When will a computer pass the Turing Test? Are we getting close? Here is >> > what the CEO of Google says: “Many people in AI believe that we’re close to >> > [a computer passing the Turing Test] within the next five years,” said Eric >> > Schmidt, Executive Chairman, Google, speaking at The Aspen Institute on >> > July >> > 16, 2013. > > It could be. Five years ago I would have said we were a very long way from > any computer passing the Turing Test, but then I saw Watson and its > incredible performance on Jeopardy. And once a true AI comes into existence > it will turn ALL scholarly predictions about what the future will be like > into pure nonsense, except for the prediction that we can't make predictions > that are worth a damn after that point. I don't really find the Turing Test that meaningful, to be honest. My main problem with it is that it is a test on our ability to build a machine that deceives humans into believing it is another human. This will always be a digital Frankenstein because it will not be the outcome of the same evolutionary context that we are. So it will have to pretend to care about things that it is not reasonable for it to care. I find it a much more worthwhile endeavour to create a machine that can understand what we mean like a human does, without the need to convince us that it has human emotions and so on. This machine would actually be _more_ useful and _more_ interesting by virtue of not passing the Turing test. Telmo. > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
