On 23 September 2013 13:16, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:29:30PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> >
> > Bruno, if you have something new to say about this "proof" of yours then
> > say it, but don't pretend that 2 years of correspondence and hundreds of
> > posts in which I list things that I didn't understand about the first 3
> > steps didn't exist. If you can repair the blunders made in the first 3
> > steps then I'll read step 4, until then doing so would be ridiculous.
> >
> >   John K Clark
> >
> John, for the sake of the rest of us, it would be useful for you to
> summarise just what the problems were that you found with the first
> three steps.
> I have been on everything list since almost the beginning, and on FoR
> (on and off) most of the time of its existence, too. I don't ever
> remember a post from you along those lines, although I do recall
> several references to it by Bruno, so no doubt it exists, and I just
> missed it. I'm sceptical of the "hundreds of posts" claim, though.
> For me, my stopping point is step 8. I do mean to summarise the
> intense discussion we had earlier this year on this topic, but that
> will require an uninterrupted period of a day or two, just to pull it all
> into a comprehensible document.
> I'm just now reading a reading a very long paper (more of a short
> book, actually) by Scott Aaronson, on the subject of free will, which
> is one of those rare works in that topic that is not
> gibberish. Suffice it to say, that if he is ultimately convincing, he
> would get me to stop at step 0 (ie COMP is false), but more on that
> later when I finish it.
> Bruno, I think you would be interested in this (if you haven't already
read it)


I am working my way through it slowly, and I just came upon this delightful

Thus, the idea that we can “escape all that philosophical crazy-talk” by
> declaring that the
> human mind is a computer program running on the hardware of the brain, and
> that’s all there
> is to it, strikes me as ironically backwards. Yes, we can say that, and we
> might even be right.
> But far from bypassing all philosophical perplexities, such a move lands
> in a swamp of them!

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