On 23 September 2013 13:16, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:29:30PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > > > Bruno, if you have something new to say about this "proof" of yours then > > say it, but don't pretend that 2 years of correspondence and hundreds of > > posts in which I list things that I didn't understand about the first 3 > > steps didn't exist. If you can repair the blunders made in the first 3 > > steps then I'll read step 4, until then doing so would be ridiculous. > > > > John K Clark > > > > John, for the sake of the rest of us, it would be useful for you to > summarise just what the problems were that you found with the first > three steps. > > I have been on everything list since almost the beginning, and on FoR > (on and off) most of the time of its existence, too. I don't ever > remember a post from you along those lines, although I do recall > several references to it by Bruno, so no doubt it exists, and I just > missed it. I'm sceptical of the "hundreds of posts" claim, though. > > For me, my stopping point is step 8. I do mean to summarise the > intense discussion we had earlier this year on this topic, but that > will require an uninterrupted period of a day or two, just to pull it all > into a comprehensible document. > > I'm just now reading a reading a very long paper (more of a short > book, actually) by Scott Aaronson, on the subject of free will, which > is one of those rare works in that topic that is not > gibberish. Suffice it to say, that if he is ultimately convincing, he > would get me to stop at step 0 (ie COMP is false), but more on that > later when I finish it. > > Bruno, I think you would be interested in this (if you haven't already read it) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.0159v2.pdf I am working my way through it slowly, and I just came upon this delightful statement: Thus, the idea that we can “escape all that philosophical crazy-talk” by > declaring that the > human mind is a computer program running on the hardware of the brain, and > that’s all there > is to it, strikes me as ironically backwards. Yes, we can say that, and we > might even be right. > But far from bypassing all philosophical perplexities, such a move lands > in a swamp of them! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
