On 23 September 2013 13:16, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:29:30PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > > > Bruno, if you have something new to say about this "proof" of yours then > > say it, but don't pretend that 2 years of correspondence and hundreds of > > posts in which I list things that I didn't understand about the first 3 > > steps didn't exist. If you can repair the blunders made in the first 3 > > steps then I'll read step 4, until then doing so would be ridiculous. > > > > John K Clark > > > > John, for the sake of the rest of us, it would be useful for you to > summarise just what the problems were that you found with the first > three steps. > > I have been on everything list since almost the beginning, and on FoR > (on and off) most of the time of its existence, too. I don't ever > remember a post from you along those lines, although I do recall > several references to it by Bruno, so no doubt it exists, and I just > missed it. I'm sceptical of the "hundreds of posts" claim, though. > > For me, my stopping point is step 8. I do mean to summarise the > intense discussion we had earlier this year on this topic, but that > will require an uninterrupted period of a day or two, just to pull it all > into a comprehensible document. > > I'm just now reading a reading a very long paper (more of a short > book, actually) by Scott Aaronson, on the subject of free will, which > is one of those rare works in that topic that is not > gibberish. Suffice it to say, that if he is ultimately convincing, he > would get me to stop at step 0 (ie COMP is false), but more on that > later when I finish it. > > Bruno, I think you would be interested in this (if you haven't already read it) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.0159v2.pdf I am working my way through it slowly, and I just came upon this delightful statement: Thus, the idea that we can “escape all that philosophical crazy-talk” by > declaring that the > human mind is a computer program running on the hardware of the brain, and > that’s all there > is to it, strikes me as ironically backwards. Yes, we can say that, and we > might even be right. > But far from bypassing all philosophical perplexities, such a move lands > in a swamp of them! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.