On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> The origin of the indeterminacies is the random use of personal pronouns >> with no clear referents by Bruno Marchal such that all questions like "what >> is the probability "I" will do this or that?" become meaningless. >> > > > ?
Which word didn't you understand? > We need no more "personal identity" notion than we need to say I will > survive with an artficial brain > The origin of the indeterminacies is the random use of personal pronouns with no clear referents by Bruno Marchal such that all questions like "what is the probability "I" will do this or that?" become meaningless. Bruno Marchal is simply addicted to personal pronouns because it would be obvious to all that Bruno Marchal's ideas are held together with only spit and scotch tape without the logically inconsistent use of them. > You try to evade the indeterminacy by making it into an ambiguity, > Personal pronouns with no referent are the cause of the ambiguity, and although it results in clunky prose John Clark can explain John Clark's ideas without using them, Bruno Marchal can not explain Bruno Marchal's ideas without the liberal use of such pronouns. > >> All that can be said is that from ANY point of view there is a 100% >> chance the Helsinki man will turn into the Washington man, and a 100% >> chance the Helsinki man will turn into the Moscow man; so if "I" is the >> Helsinki man then there is a 0% chance "I" will see either city because >> very soon "I" will turn into something that is not "I". >> > > > That contradicts many posts you sent. > BULLSHIT! > In particular, this would mean that duplication entails death, > BULLSHIT! As you said yourself "as you said yourself, we need only the fact that those remembering having been the guy in Helsinki"; and in this case both the Washington Man and the Moscow Man remember being the Helsinki Man so the Helsinki Man is not dead. True, the first person point of view of the Helsinki man no longer exists because nobody is in Helsinki anymore, but that is of no more interest than the fact that the first person point of view that Bruno Marchal had yesterday no longer exists. And that is why all this Pov and pee pee stuff is crap. >> Huh? Uncertainty about what? >> > > > Uncertainty in Helsinki about which city you > You? Bruno Marchal just can't wean Bruno Marchal off the use of personal pronouns even though it causes ambiguity when duplicating chambers are involved; John Clark believes the reason for this is because without ambiguity Bruno Marchal's ideas are obvious nonsense. And although Bruno Marchal says that John Clark is confused between the various types of pee pee, John Clark believes that John Clark knows the difference between pee and crap. > > will see > And John Clark thought John Clark and Bruno Marchal were talking about life and death and the nature of personal identity. People have known since the stone age that people could seldom make good predictions about what people would see next, but good prediction or bad prediction people always felt like the same people. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.