On 04 Oct 2013, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:

On 10/4/2013 7:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
When a consciousness is not manifested, what is it's content?

Good question. Difficult. Sometimes ago, I would have said that consciousness exists only in manifested form.

That's what I would say.

I have to confess that salvia has put a doubt on this. I cannot reject this as an hallucination, because the experience does not depend on the fact that it is an hallucination. A bit like a blind person cannot say that he saw something but that is was an hallucination.

I have no certainty at all in those matter.

But I am much less sure about that, and such consciousness state might be something like heavenly bliss or hellish terror, depending on the path where you would lost the ability of manifesting yourself.

Recognizing that "consciousness" means different things: perception, self-modeling, awareness of self-modeling, self-evaluation,... I think we can at least see what it is like to not have some of these forms of consciousness because we generally have at most one at a given time - and sometimes we don't have any of them.

Here the salvia experience is tremendously interesting, as we loose many things, like memory, sense of self, body, notions of time and space, etc. yet we remain conscious, with the weird feeling that we are conscious for the first time, and the last time, and that we remember something that we know better than everything we might have believed to know. It is a quite paradoxical state of mind, and coming back from it, it gives a sense that consciousness is fundamentally something statical, making time illusory. I thought that consciousness needed that time illusion, but now I am less sure about that.



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