On 18 November 2013 11:13, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 11/16/2013 10:17 PM, LizR wrote:
>  On 16 November 2013 19:54, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>  On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
>>  First, I think maybe we disagree as to what constitutes a police
>> state.  My definition of it is one in which the police can investigate and
>> interrogate anyone at anytime on any suspicion without judicial warrant and
>> enforce some political orthodoxy that in turn supports their power.  It has
>> nothing to do with having very tight security around some particular
>> installation (like nuclear weapons plants and ICBM silos).  It wouldn't
>> even be useful in protecting LFTR powerplants.
>  Are you sure we don't already live in a police state (or rather several)
> ? Certainly that appeared (to me at least) to be what GWB was aiming for,
> and I'm not sure BO has changed course. And of course the UK and NZ and
> others are eagerly following suit...
> Yes, I'm sure.  We moved a little toward a police state with the "war on
> drugs" then "the war on terrorists" but we're not there yet and I don't see
> anything about protecting nuclear power plants that require it to get worse.
> I wasn't suggesting that. I was simply pointing out the irrelevancy of the
police state argument when we're being quietly ushered towards one
(ironically, it would seem the right wing are equally keen on this).

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