On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists.
They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even
if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it,
and the use of authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and
perhaps by the Jewish (with Maimonides, to some extent).
It is not because we have found strong evidence that the Earth is
NOT flat, that Earth has disappeared. We just correct our theory of
Earth. Why couldn't we do that with the notion of God?'
Atheists think that's exactly what we have done, just as we correct
our notions of Santa Claus as we grow up.
Liz, I disagree. The atheists say "the definition of Earth ("God") in
the sacred text is an infinite plane (fairy tale). We know there is no
infinite plane below us, (we disbelief fairy tales) thus we correct
our theory of Earth (God): Earth (God) doesn't exist.
That this, the atheists credit some text for the definition of God,
and abandon the whole idea, or possible reality, because they find
some theory wrong. And by doing so, they continue to credit the
authoritative arguments. And in passing they impose implicitly their
own theology (Matter).
God, in the original platonist theoretical conception is basically the
reason/cause of the everything which exists in some or other senses.
Atheists says it is Matter.
Many atheists believes that there is a material universe, and that it
is all there is. Their God, in the platonist sense, is Matter, and
they might be true.
But you don't need to believe in any fairy tale to doubt Matter, and
so the physical universe might have a deeper cause or reason, and
indeed with computationalism the cause is "just" the arithmetical
truth, which makes the universal number sharing deep computations,
with a measure we can compare with the facts (using Theaetetus'
definition of knowledge).
If we don't put the theological in perspective, it will be hard to
even compare the atheist aristotelian theology (Nature, Mater, is the
God) and Platonism: (Nature and Matter emerge from, or emanate from,
or is created by, or is the shadow of, or (in comp): is the global FPI
first person plural projection, from *something else* (with comp:
arithmetical truth).
The problem of some atheists and materialist is that they confuse
physics and theology. They forget that they *assume* a physical
reality. They too commit an act of faith, by making the object of
physics the explanation of everything. They reason correctly in the
frame of that assumption, but to do theology scientifically, you need
to remind that it is an assumption, just to see other rational
conception of reality possible.
Bruno
PS (I will probably comment in the random order)
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