On 03 Dec 2013, at 19:29, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrot

> I have already insist that God cannot be part of the explanation. We agree on this.

Then I repeat my question, why add useless wheels within wheels that explain nothing to otherwise nice theories?

To take into account the discovery already made by arithmetical machine that there is a transcendental truth responsible for their beliefs, which is beyond their beliefs. The space of such true but non rationally communicable truth is axiomatized, at the propositional level, by G* minus G, and this permits a transparent interpretation of Plotinus theology in arithmetic, and this illustrates already the fact that computationalism leads to a Platonist theology, and contradicts the common Aristotelian metaphysics/theology implicit among many scientists. The experience of "God", in the large sense I have given is part of the data in the puzzle. You might read my paper "La machine Mystic", or the second part of the sane04 paper for more on this, if you are interested. This shows also that arithmetic explains not only the apparent existence of matter (constructively, and thus making comp testable), but it gives some light on altered consciousness and other brain perturbation experience, and "mystical" type of knowledge/ beliefs/comprehension, making some other aspect of comp testable in some first person sense.



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