On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a >>> religion. >>> >>> >>> >> Some religions may be, that doesn't mean they all are, however. >> >> How do you relate science to beliefs about the world and reality? Would >> you say science the collection of those beliefs, or the method for >> developing the beliefs? >> > > Science is a way to discover the world, nothing is certain, what you > believe now may be shown wrong tomorrow... that's not the case with > religion... > > Quentin > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2013/12/6 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > >> >> On 05 Dec 2013, at 19:13, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a >>>> religion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Some religions may be, that doesn't mean they all are, however. >>> >> >> Could you give an example of a religion without dogma ? >> >> >> Platonism, buddhism branches, taoism, neoplatonism, the individual >> religion of all mystics, and ... the theology of numbers. >> > > Are you saying buddhism/taoism have no dogma ? that's wrong, they have, > plenty... they have no god, sure, but really there is a set of thing that > qualify as dogma... if you reject everything buddhism tell you (as they > fake you can), how can you qualify yourself as buddhist ? > Everybody knows Wikipedia can be helpful but often does a terrible job at oversimplifying, especially on theological matters, but you defeat them on that point today, regarding theology. Oversimplified Wikipedia definition (noting your "Science is a way to discover the world etc. + dogma accusation of Taoism etc.): *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism>The term Tao means "way", "path" or "principle", and can also be found in Chinese philosophies and religions other than Taoism. In Taoism, however, Tao denotes something that is both the source and the driving force behind everything that exists. It is ultimately ineffable <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineffability>: "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao."[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism#cite_note-Laozi-1>* So your "world discovery" quoted above is already too dogmatic; even to a Wiki-Taoist. There is just path or way, where the goal, purpose, or god stays undefined. Your "discovery" marker, implies some "correct point", some kind of progress can be ultimately found, defined, and correctly pursued. This is magnitudes more dogmatic than the poor little Wiki oversimplification. Also your position of theology necessitating some fixed, inflexible dogma is not supported, again even by an imprecise (compared with Laozi writings and their equivalents in other theologies mentioned in this context) wiki quote: the code, language, script "cannot be told". So in the first two sentences of "wiki definition" your image of identical, zombified robots following some trivial, fixed, dogmatic theology fanatically, concerning theology and Taoism here in particular, is without support. As with Science, people interpret theology in a variety of ways; more or less literally etc. PGC > >> >> >> >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> How do you relate science to beliefs about the world and reality? Would >>> you say science the collection of those beliefs, or the method for >>> developing the beliefs? >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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