On 06 Dec 2013, at 23:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote (to PGC)


So your "world discovery" quoted above is already too dogmatic; even to a Wiki-Taoist.

Are you saying we can't ? Yes, one hypothesis of science, is that the world is understandable... if it is not, all of what you're saying is useless.

Science use hypothesis, not dogma, and yes there are fundamental hypothesis, if the world in fine is shown not to be understandable, science goal will have failed and will not be recoverable.


But we know already that the universe, whatever it is, cannot entirely understand itself, notably because no machine can ever completely understand itself.

Theology extends science, but comp gives a tool to address that extension through the study of our self-limitation, and with comp, through the study of machine's self-limitation.

That is the grandeur of science. It is able to study its own limitation, and to provide a glimpse of what is beyond itself.

That has begun in mathematics (Gödel), and with comp applies also to physics, theology, etc.

Bruno





Quentin


There is just path or way, where the goal, purpose, or god stays undefined. Your "discovery" marker, implies some "correct point", some kind of progress can be ultimately found, defined, and correctly pursued. This is magnitudes more dogmatic than the poor little Wiki oversimplification.

Also your position of theology necessitating some fixed, inflexible dogma is not supported, again even by an imprecise (compared with Laozi writings and their equivalents in other theologies mentioned in this context) wiki quote: the code, language, script "cannot be told". So in the first two sentences of "wiki definition" your image of identical, zombified robots following some trivial, fixed, dogmatic theology fanatically, concerning theology and Taoism here in particular, is without support. As with Science, people interpret theology in a variety of ways; more or less literally etc. PGC






Quentin


How do you relate science to beliefs about the world and reality? Would you say science the collection of those beliefs, or the method for developing the beliefs?

Jason


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