On 06 Dec 2013, at 23:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote (to PGC)
So your "world discovery" quoted above is already too dogmatic; even
to a Wiki-Taoist.
Are you saying we can't ? Yes, one hypothesis of science, is that
the world is understandable... if it is not, all of what you're
saying is useless.
Science use hypothesis, not dogma, and yes there are fundamental
hypothesis, if the world in fine is shown not to be understandable,
science goal will have failed and will not be recoverable.
But we know already that the universe, whatever it is, cannot entirely
understand itself, notably because no machine can ever completely
understand itself.
Theology extends science, but comp gives a tool to address that
extension through the study of our self-limitation, and with comp,
through the study of machine's self-limitation.
That is the grandeur of science. It is able to study its own
limitation, and to provide a glimpse of what is beyond itself.
That has begun in mathematics (Gödel), and with comp applies also to
physics, theology, etc.
Bruno
Quentin
There is just path or way, where the goal, purpose, or god stays
undefined. Your "discovery" marker, implies some "correct point",
some kind of progress can be ultimately found, defined, and
correctly pursued. This is magnitudes more dogmatic than the poor
little Wiki oversimplification.
Also your position of theology necessitating some fixed, inflexible
dogma is not supported, again even by an imprecise (compared with
Laozi writings and their equivalents in other theologies mentioned
in this context) wiki quote: the code, language, script "cannot be
told". So in the first two sentences of "wiki definition" your image
of identical, zombified robots following some trivial, fixed,
dogmatic theology fanatically, concerning theology and Taoism here
in particular, is without support. As with Science, people interpret
theology in a variety of ways; more or less literally etc. PGC
Quentin
How do you relate science to beliefs about the world and reality?
Would you say science the collection of those beliefs, or the
method for developing the beliefs?
Jason
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