On 11 Dec 2013, at 17:19, John Clark wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:> Then you can't say that you will survive anything. We die at eachinstantOK, but then you can't say that survival is important, or that theword means much of anything at all.

`That was my point. Indeed. Comp would lost his meaning. We can say yes`

`and no to the doctor, as we die anyway in the next second.`

But of course this is non sense.

> and comp is made trivial,'Comp" is not trivial, "comp" is a gibberish word made up by youthat is almost as meaningless as "free will".

`Comp is the mechanist thesis. You confuse axioms and theorems. You`

`might disagree with the theorem, but then you need to start from comp,`

`(step 0) and find a flaw.`

`I insist, your preceding argument was shown to confuse the 1-view and`

`the 3-view on the 1-view, quite precisely. You have never answer that`

`confusion.`

>> you can only trace identity from the past to the present. Afeeling of self has nothing to do with predictions,> That's the point.If that's the point then why do you keep emphasizing what thevarious copies will predict about their future and how accuratethose predictions turn out to be?

`The point is that we need only a notion of first person self, and`

`thrid person self, which in UDA are well defined through the diaries,`

`and in the math part, the 3-self is given by the diagoal method (Dx =`

`"xx"), and the 1-self by applying the Theatetus denition of the`

`knower. But we don't need to solve the "personal identity" problem.`

`Only local bodies (3-self) and personal memories (1-self) are used in`

`the proof/argument.`

>> If tomorrow somebody remembers being Telmo Menezes today thenTelmo Menezes has a future, if not then Telmo Menezes has no future,and Quantum Mechanics or a understanding of Everett's Many Worlds isnot needed for any of it. Period. However in a completely differentunrelated matter, if you want to assign a probability that tomorrowa observer that can be interviewed by a third party will observe aelectron move left or right then Quantum Mechanics will be needed.And some (including me) feel that Everett's interpretation is aconvenient way to think about it, although there are other ways.> Not in comp Perhaps not but I honestly don't give a damn about "comp".

`You said that you believe in comp. You disbelieve only in the`

`consequence, but you don't have provided a correction to your`

`refutation of the derivation of that consequence, which has shown to`

`be flawed (not just by me).`

`If you don't give a damn about the consequence of comp, stay mute`

`about them. If you think there is a flaw in a proof, it is up to you`

`to find it, but without changing the definition, and by taking into`

`account the 1/3 nuances, which are of course crucial to get the 1-`

`indeterminacy provided by self-multiplication.`

`If you think there is no 1-indeterminacy, please give the algorithm of`

`prediction, or an argument that such an algorithm could exist.`

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