On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:22 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Any time John Clark pretends that he does not understand or
believe in first-person indeterminancy,
But I do believe in and understand first-person indeterminacy, in
fact it was without question the very first thing that I ever
understood in my life; even as a infant I realized that I didn't
know what I would see next, and even if I did I didn't know what I
would do next.
So you agree with step three. It's time to admit you have found no
flaw in it and proceed to the next steps.
>refer him to his own post where he admitts to understanding it and
believing in it:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/5PR1FXp_CSU/PnuTSn_82PwJ
> John Clark: "So yes, subjectively the intelligence would have no
way of knowing if A was true or B, or to put it another way
subjectively it would make no difference."
I stand by every word I wrote, especially "subjectively it would
make no difference"; but if you're going to quote me quote the
entire paragraph:
" Both A and B are identical in that the intelligence doesn't know
what it is going to see next; but increasingly convoluted thought
experiments are not needed to demonstrate that everyday fact. The
only difference is that in A lots of copies are made of the
intelligence and in B they are not; but as the intelligence would
have no way of knowing if a copy had been made of itself or not nor
would it have any way of knowing if it was the original or the copy,
subjectively it doesn't matter if A or B is true.
So yes, subjectively the intelligence would have no way of knowing
if A was true or B, or to put it another way subjectively it would
make no difference."
And I concluded that post with:
"the conclusion is the same, and that is the not very profound
conclusion that you never know what you're going to see next, and
Bruno's grand discovery of First Person Indeterminacy is just
regular old dull as dishwater indeterminacy first discovered by Og
the caveman. After the big buildup it's a bit of a letdown actually."
John K Clark
As liz summarized, you went from "that's wrong!" to "that's obvious!"
Which is it?
Jason
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