On 10 Dec 2013, at 18:03, John Clark wrote:


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013  Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:

> You're avoiding my question. Why don't you also reject the MWI?

If I am reluctant to answer your question it is because I've already done so many times in the past, but if you insist I will do so again. The Many World's Interpretation is about what can be expected to be seen, and although it may seem strange to us Everett's ideas are 100% logically self consistent. Bruno's "proof" is not about what will be seen but about a feeling of identity, about who you can expect to be; but you do not think you're the same person you were yesterday because yesterday you made a prediction about today that turned out to be correct, you think you're the same person you were yesterday for one reason and one reason only, you remember being Telmo Menezes yesterday. It's a good thing that's the way it works because I make incorrect predictions all the time and when I do I don't feel that I've entered oblivion, instead I feel like I am the same person I was before because I can still remember being the guy who made that prediction that turned out to be wrong. I don't feel like I'm dead, I just feel like the guy who made a crappy prediction.

Bruno thinks you can trace personal identity from the present to the future,

Then you can't say that you will survive anything. We die at each instant and comp is made trivial, and we can predict anything.
Or you say "no" to the doctor.



but that is like pushing on a string. You can only pull a string and you can only trace identity from the past to the present. A feeling of self has nothing to do with predictions,

That's the point.



successful ones or otherwise, and in fact you might not even have a future, but you certainly have a past.

Which is refute at each second in any experimental procedure.



If tomorrow somebody remembers being Telmo Menezes today then Telmo Menezes has a future, if not then Telmo Menezes has no future, and Quantum Mechanics or a understanding of Everett's Many Worlds is not needed for any of it. Period. However in a completely different unrelated matter, if you want to assign a probability that tomorrow a observer that can be interviewed by a third party will observe a electron move left or right then Quantum Mechanics will be needed. And some (including me) feel that Everett's interpretation is a convenient way to think about it, although there are other ways.

Not in comp, and Everett has to be extended on the arithmetical reality.

Bruno



  John K Clark



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