On 28 December 2013 17:27, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote:

> Hi LizR and Jason,
>   Responding to both of you. I don't understand the claim of determinism
> is "random noise" is necessary for the computations. Turing machines
> require exact pre-specifiability. Adding noise oracles is cheating!

Who said random noise was necessary? I said the UD, at least, is completely

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