# Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

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On 28 Dec 2013, at 05:06, LizR wrote:```
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Clearly programmes don't have to be deterministic. They could contain a source of genuine randomness, in principle.
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I don't think the UD does, however.
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The UD emulates all quantum computer and many sort of non deterministic processes, including all randomness (through the inputs), even deterministically.
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Just think about the fact that the UD does emulate infinite iteration of the WM duplication.
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Bruno

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The definition of deterministic would be - gives the same output on each run (given that the UD has no input).
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On 28 December 2013 17:03, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com > wrote:
```I ask this because I am studying Carl Hewitt's Actor Model...

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com > wrote:
```Hi jason,

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Do programs have to be "deterministic". What definition of deterministic are you using?
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:54 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 28 December 2013 16:44, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com > wrote:
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"The first, second, 10th, 1,000,000th, and 10^100th, and 10^100^100th state of the UD's execution are mathematical facts ..." Umm, how? Godel and Matiyasevich would disagree! If there does not exist a program that can evaluate whether or not a UD substring is a faithful representation of a "true theorem", then how is it "a fact"?
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That depends on whether the UD is deterministic or not.

It is. The evolution of any Turing machines is deterministic.

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If it is, then, its Nth state is a fact. (It doesn't need to be run or evaluated, and the Nth state may be a fact that nobody knows, like the googolth digit of pi, assuming no one's worked that out.)
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Right. :-)

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The fact that I remember drinking a glass of water is as much a mathematical fact about the UD, as the fact as the third decimal digit of Pi is 4.
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Jason

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