On 30 Dec 2013, at 02:33, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Far from it, really;-) I assure you, I wish you no burning at any
stakes, whether literal or figurative. You are perfectly entitled to
be as incorrect as you wish, especially in an area as solidly
established as relativistic physics.
It's just that (a ma parte, at least), I feel a bit bad for you,
because you seem really deluded and you are kind of embarrassing
yourself with your (wrong) insistence that "no one gets you". I
think we all get what you are saying (i.e. understand the ideas that
words you use are trying to convey). All of the sentence strings you
use are well-formed. It's just that the picture they create in
logical space doesn't correspond with the physical reality we happen
to inhabit. That's all. It's not a matter of being persecuted
because of dogma. It's just that, if you bothered to review the
relevant literature, you'd see that you were wrong.
But as I said before, and as you are showing again, I don't think
there is any hope for you because you refuse to see things as they
are.
One thing to be said in your favor: at least what you say is
refutable, unlike Roger Clough, whose ideas are so vacuous and
anodyne that they can't even be dignified by calling them "wrong".
I disagree. Roger Clough makes many statements. Some are theorem
(necessary) in the comp theory, others are just consistent and open
problem in comp, and still others are refuted by the comp theory.
Nevertheless, his general view is more compatible with comp than the
(often implicit) aristotelian view of most scientists.
(Yes, he is a bit awkward in the way he send some posts, but that does
not really change their contents).
Bruno
Cheers!
On Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:02:05 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Pierz, Liz and Frequent Flyer,
Jeez, you guys, this seems to be becoming a matter of sacred
religious dogma to you and someone who doesn't agree deserves to
burned at the stake! Lighten up guys and take a deep breath, they're
just theories!
:-)
Edgar
On Sunday, December 29, 2013 5:55:09 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote:
Agreed, Liz. His bizarre misunderstandings about block time (it
violates conservation of energy) and sundry other statements
exhibiting poor comprehension of modern physics reveal him to be
exactly what you suspected early on: a crackpot. The question he put
to you in which he asked if you ceased to exist at one point on his
timeline reveals his basic error of logic. Everything must exist
simultaneously with me, therefore there is a universal common
present moment. Obviously that does not necessarily follow but Mr
Owen has invested so much in his idea (he's written a book - self-
published one might assume) that he is incapable of seriously
questioning it any more. I guess there are two routes to genius:
have a brilliant, revolutionary idea and convince the world, or have
a wrong revolutionary idea and armour yourself so heavily against
reason that every rebuttal merely reinforces your own view that you
are a misunderstood visionary. Ad hominem. Mea culpa.
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