On 30 December 2013 22:30, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Stephen, Jason, Liz, > > The answer is very simple when one understands there are two kinds of > time. Present moment P-time is the processor cycle of the computations, and > the computations compute clock time. > > The computations MUST take place in time of some sort to compute anything. >
This is, of course, a circular argument. > The fact that there is a logical sequence that isn't moving gives us > nothing. All comps, including Bruno's, must face this problem which Liz > properly raises.... > This is, of course, only true if one has failed to grasp the block universe view. > OK, I'm ducking, but nevertheless it's the only reasonable explanation! > :-) > Hmm, looks like a smidgeon of progress here. > > Edgar > > > On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:43:34 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > >> Dear Jason, >> >> You seem to be ignoring the role of the transitory that is involved in >> the discussion here. The fact is that we are asking questions about things >> we are trying to understand. Merely stating that this is that ignores the >> point. Where doth change emerge if it does not exist at all? >> This is my problem with Platonia, it has no explanation for the >> appearance of change. We can point at this or that (figuratively speaking) >> as an explanation, but the finger that points does not vanish upon >> alighting on the answer. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Stephen Paul King < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jason, >>>> >>>> So what is turning the "knob" on the values of y (or x)? >>>> >>> >>> Nothing, the whole graph exists at once, but y varies as x varies. Why >>> does x=1,y=9 have to be destroyed to make room for x=2,y=11? What does >>> destroying the previous state add to x=2,y=11 that wasn't there before? >>> >>> Now consider we aren't dealing with a simple line, but an equation >>> tracing the interactions of all the particle interactions in your brain. >>> If x=1 corresponds to your consciousness in time 1, and x=2 corresponds to >>> your consciousness in time 2, then how would destroying the x=1 state >>> change your conscious state for x=2? >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Brent, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a persisting question. How is is that we can get away with >>>>>> using verbs (implying actions) when we are describing timeless entities? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> In the same way we can say that y increases as x increases, in the >>>>> graph of y = 2x + 7 >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>> topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kindest Regards, >> >> Stephen Paul King >> >> Senior Researcher >> >> Mobile: (864) 567-3099 >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://www.provensecure.us/ >> >> >> “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of >> the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain >> information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and >> exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as >> attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >> hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of >> this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message >> immediately.” >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
