On 30 Dec 2013, at 08:25, LizR wrote:

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I admit I have difficulty understanding how Bruno's UD "runs" insidearithmetic

Don't push me too much as I really want to explain this to you :) It is not completely obvious, especially if we want be 100% rigorous.

`There are not so much textbook which do that entirely correctly. But`

`here are three best one:`

Boolos and Jeffrey (and Burgess for late edition). http://www.amazon.com/Computability-Logic-George-S-Boolos/dp/0521701465 Epstein and Carnielli (out of stock!) http://www.amazon.com/Computability-Computable-Functions-Foundations-Mathematics/dp/0534103561/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1388400218&sr=1-2&keywords=epstein+and+carnielli Matiyasevitch http://www.amazon.com/Hilberts-10th-Problem-Foundations-Computing/dp/0262132958/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1388400285&sr=1-1&keywords=matiyasevich

`Matiyasevitch shows explicitly how to emulate any Turing machine with`

`diophantine polynomials.`

`Oh, well, there is also the old good Stephen Kleene 1952 book, and`

`many by Smullyan (although like Gödel they do that in PA or`

`equivalent, and not in RA, which ask for more verification.`

`Matiyasevitc shows that for diophantine equation, which means that it`

`makes the RA universal quantifier not needed, and so gives the`

`stronger result.`

The main deep idea is already in Gödel 1931.

`May be the shortest path is to explain the phi_i and use Kleene`

`predicate to explain that equalities involving the phi_i are made`

`arithmetical by the use of Kleene's predicate, but this needs the`

`Gödel coding, which is long to describe, and even longer to prove that`

`it does correctly the job.`

`I am thinking how to explain this without going in the technical`

`details.`

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