On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:30, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Stephen, Jason, Liz,
The answer is very simple when one understands there are two kinds
of time. Present moment P-time is the processor cycle of the
computations, and the computations compute clock time.
The computations MUST take place in time of some sort to compute
anything. The fact that there is a logical sequence that isn't
moving gives us nothing.
You are right: you don't get anything with only
0, s(0), s(s(0)), ...
But you get the subjective time and possible relatively objective 3p
time from the sequence above, once you agree with the laws of numbers:
explicitly:
x + 0 = x
x + s(y) = s(x + y)
x *0 = 0
x*s(y) = x*y + x
Arithmetic contains all diophantine approximation of all ... soccer
cups, and things like that, like the collison between the Milky Way
and Andromeda. But the 1p (consciousness) emerges "really" only in the
limiting glue of the diophantine solutions, and those might not be
solution of any particular diophantine equation.
Bruno
All comps, including Bruno's, must face this problem which Liz
properly raises....
OK, I'm ducking, but nevertheless it's the only reasonable
explanation!
:-)
Edgar
On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:43:34 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
Dear Jason,
You seem to be ignoring the role of the transitory that is
involved in the discussion here. The fact is that we are asking
questions about things we are trying to understand. Merely stating
that this is that ignores the point. Where doth change emerge if it
does not exist at all?
This is my problem with Platonia, it has no explanation for the
appearance of change. We can point at this or that (figuratively
speaking) as an explanation, but the finger that points does not
vanish upon alighting on the answer.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Stephen Paul King
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jason,
So what is turning the "knob" on the values of y (or x)?
Nothing, the whole graph exists at once, but y varies as x varies.
Why does x=1,y=9 have to be destroyed to make room for x=2,y=11?
What does destroying the previous state add to x=2,y=11 that wasn't
there before?
Now consider we aren't dealing with a simple line, but an equation
tracing the interactions of all the particle interactions in your
brain. If x=1 corresponds to your consciousness in time 1, and x=2
corresponds to your consciousness in time 2, then how would
destroying the x=1 state change your conscious state for x=2?
Jason
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Stephen Paul King
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Brent,
I have a persisting question. How is is that we can get away with
using verbs (implying actions) when we are describing timeless
entities?
In the same way we can say that y increases as x increases, in the
graph of y = 2x + 7
Jason
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