On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:19 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 31 December 2013 09:43, Stephen Paul King > <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote: > >> Dear LizR and Brent, >> >> I will try to go at this from a different direction. What exactly does >> "fundamental level" mean? Does there have to be "something fundamental"? >> Consider Leibniz' monadology: strip it of the anthropocentrism and >> religiosity and one obtains a nice "any one thing is made from combinations >> of other things" concept that has no need for something fundamental. >> > > Obviously there doesn't HAVE to be "something fundamental"*. Lots of > religions, for example, posit two almost-fundamental things - Yin and Yang, > God and the Devil, the dark and light sides of the Force, and so on. > However, physical theories have been extremely successful at using > reductionism, which tends to lead one, ultimately, towards there being > something fundamental. All the unifications - electricity and magnetism, > mass and energy, space and time, the four forces merging into one - all > indicate an explanatory arrow in which two or more things turning out to be > aspects of one simpler thing. Continue this long enough, and you should > eventually hit the last turtle. > Why is this necessary? Sure, physics has come a long way since Democritus and his Atoms in a void. But we have reached a point where that way of thinking fails. Look at Superstrings, no empirical evidence of anything measurable there... Time for a new vision? > > * (By the way, I'd feel happier replying if you'd miss out all the > unnecessary quote marks. It looks like you're trying to hedge against being > pinned down into actually taking a viewpoint when everything under > discussion has to be "quoted" for no obvious reason...) > No, I don't mind being pinned down. I just often have to use words in a metaphorical and not literal way. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/1NWmK1IeadI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.