On 31 Dec 2013, at 22:58, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Brent,
It is only vicious if there is no time. For example:
Math->Physics->Biology->Evolution->Humans->Culture->Science->Math' -
>Physics' -> ...
That spiral too in the UD*, but the Brent's circles also. Without any
paradox involved. Note that Gödel found solution of GR with explicit
circular time loop, too.
The knowledge evolves in time.
Relatively, yes.
Bruno
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 12/31/2013 2:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Dec 2013, at 21:43, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear LizR and Brent,
I will try to go at this from a different direction. What
exactly does "fundamental level" mean? Does there have to be
"something fundamental"?
Fundamental is often used in two senses. either as "very
important". In that sense physics and math are fundamental.
Or is the sense of "primitive", that is, what we have to assume at
the start, like the primitive symbol in a theory, intended to
denote what we admit to exist at the start. We need them because we
cannot derive anything from nothing. Even in the "nothing
theories", we need the mathematical axioms to handle some notion of
nothing.
There is another way that avoids assuming that there is something
"fundamental". It is a sort of ring of explanation (actually
suggested by Bruno):
Math->Physics->Biology->Evolution->Humans->Culture->Science->Math
Of course it is objected that this is viciously circular; but I
counter that if the circle is big enough to take everything in, then
it is virtuously circular.
Brent
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