On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 12/30/2013 6:09 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 31 December 2013 07:44, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 12/30/2013 2:07 AM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 30 December 2013 21:02, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Dear Bruno, >>> >>> Why do you not consider an isomorphism between the Category of >>> computer/universal-numbers >>> and physical realities? That way we can avoid a lot of problems! >>> I think that it is because of your insistence of the Platonic view >>> that the material/physical realm is somehow lesser in ontological status >>> and the assumption that a timeless totality = the appearance of change (and >>> its measures) is illusory. I would like to be wrong in this presumption! >>> >>> The problem is that assuming the material / physical realm as >> fundamental gets you no further than assuming that "God did it!" It's a >> "shut up and calculate" (or shut up and pray) ontology. >> >> With materialism you just have a "brute fact" - well, maybe that's it, >> maybe there *is *just a brute, unexplained fact. But us ape descended >> life forms like to look for explanations even beneath the apparent brute >> facts! >> >> >> But "Everything happens" is just as useless as "God did it". A theory >> that can explain anything fails to explain at all. >> >> It can't explain *anything*. It just says that all outcomes of the laws > of physics are instantiated. This requires less information than saying > that a specific outcome of the LOP is instantiated, assuming the LOP allow > more than one outcome. > > But I feel that you must already know this. Are you just being Devil's > Advocate, or do you honestly not see the usefulness of multiverse theories? > > > Stephen isn't talking about a multiverse as implied by physics, he's > talking about an immaterialist theory, a "timeless Platonic totality", > which I can only suppose consists of everything not self-contradictory or > some such. > > Geee, it is that hard for you to parse what I right and make sense of it? How many times have I claimed that both materialism and immaterialism have severe problems and that I reject them. Sheesh, learn to read. > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/1NWmK1IeadI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.